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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    A moving average makes no since in calculating an algebraic solution for acceleration/deceleration.
    If you think about it a bit, a car going 30 mph accelerates to 60 mph in 5 seconds, vs,
    a car going between 20 and 40 mph accelerates to between 50 and 70 mph, between 2.5 and 7.5 seconds.
    I accept the GISS global averaged temperature, and measure the rate of change over a fixed time.
    If you think my formula for acceleration is incorrect, please point it out.
    Again temperature is not speed. You're mixing the two that cannot be mixed accurately. The only way to determine whether or not averages are accelerating or if you prefer getting worse if you cannot tell the difference between acceleration of movement and acceleration of effect. The effect is getting worse. The only true way to determine that is through line graphs of all the data collected. This evens out the outliers that can skew the results as you are calculating them.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    guess this means he's officially stopped even TRYING to fix the economy. History will give him an "F-" grade on his handling of the economy, so maybe he's trying to raise his grade on global warming. good luck with that
    F- are you fer real Joe?!

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    F- are you fer real Joe?!

    Do you seriously believe that History will grade the 1st Black U.S. President with anything less than A+?!

    And every city and town in the United States will have both a school and a street named for Barack Hussein Obama!
    I'll have to remember that the next time you accuse liberals of playing the "race card."
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    So supply me with a link to this raw data you use. If you don't have one source then please enlighten us as to your multiple sources of raw data. Or does raw data consist of your thermometer in your back yard??? You must have sources from which you gather this raw data? Please let us know what these sources are so we can judge the validity for ourselves.
    All the raw data shows virtually the same movements of temperatures... You're getting really angry over this concept that we should look at the raw data, rather than the data that's been stepped on just to send a message.

    They got these neat things call satellites ... The collect data and report what was collected.

    Then, you can do this magical thing called analyzing the data. You know, comparing it to co2 levels to test the hypothesis.

    Crazy thing how science works.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Remember. The scientists manipulate all the data, but somehow actively post the raw data (which they obviously don't use/manipulate) for public use, which amazingly shows that thru are making up the conclusions for data that they strangely post in raw form.

    Feel free to don a tinfoil hat at any time.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Remember. The scientists manipulate all the data, but somehow actively post the raw data (which they obviously don't use/manipulate) for public use, which amazingly shows that thru are making up the conclusions for data that they strangely post in raw form.

    Feel free to don a tinfoil hat at any time.
    This is silly... If you are getting a world wide audience to buy into your scam, you are also going to have to sell fellow scientists. Meaning, that with the global scale of the problem, the raw temperature data is going to need to be public.

    It's not like we're talking about specific gene sequences in some hybrid plant type of science.

    So, the absolute values of temperatures get reported, co2 concentrations are usually baseline from Hawaii. We have a theory; that human produced co2 is the driving force for climate change (though originally it's global warming).

    Are you with me still?

    OK, so now the ipcc, being paid by the UN is tasked to analyze that data, they are trying to show their best guesses as to how much co2 impacts climate.

    The models they create always wind up falling flat... but as long as they keep writing these reports, keep pushing the fear, then they keep getting paid, because by the time the data comes out to prove them wrong, they have a new report ready.

    Like that, it's not conspiracy, it's business.

    Others cash in on the band Wagon, because selling studies concerning agw is an easy sell, and it doesn't even matter if the study is in any way true to life because people buy into it.

    Now, if you want to have a debate on the validity of the data, that's another conversation, but I'm willing to accept the raw data since it doesn't even really sustain the argument any longer, but you can't seem to see it because the ipcc and friends won't ever tell you.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Remember. The scientists manipulate all the data, but somehow actively post the raw data (which they obviously don't use/manipulate) for public use, which amazingly shows that thru are making up the conclusions for data that they strangely post in raw form.
    Technically no one posts "raw" data. What is posted, like the GISS
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    has already been adjusted,
    sources: GHCN-v3 1880-04/2014 + SST: ERSST 1880-04/2014
    using elimination of outliers and homogeneity adjustment
    We could have an entire discussion on what a few tenths of a degree means, but it is moving around in the noise.
    I don't think anyone is manipulating the data with bad intent, but it is being adjusted to try
    and see some sort of signal in the noise.
    Any adjustments made are well within the very large margin of error.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Technically no one posts "raw" data. What is posted, like the GISS
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    has already been adjusted,

    We could have an entire discussion on what a few tenths of a degree means, but it is moving around in the noise.
    I don't think anyone is manipulating the data with bad intent, but it is being adjusted to try
    and see some sort of signal in the noise.
    Any adjustments made are well within the very large margin of error.

    You also have to ignore the very real phenomenon of confirmation bias is statistical manipulations. James Hansen, a true believer, ran GISS for decades. Do you think he ever once double checked a warming trend on a weather station?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    All the raw data shows virtually the same movements of temperatures... You're getting really angry over this concept that we should look at the raw data, rather than the data that's been stepped on just to send a message.

    They got these neat things call satellites ... The collect data and report what was collected.

    Then, you can do this magical thing called analyzing the data. You know, comparing it to co2 levels to test the hypothesis.

    Crazy thing how science works.
    First off I am not angry. If anything I am amused. You keep telling us use the raw data. I ask you where you get this raw data from and the only answers I get are either very general and non-specific or circular claiming once again raw data. The funny thing is that the scientist that you claim are manipulating the data which include, NASA, NOAA, UCS, DOD, DOT, Scripps, almost every accredited university, AAAS, AMA, AGU, ACU, AMS, APS, GSA and the National Acadamy of Sciences just to name a few. The absolutely hilarious thing about this is they ALL publish their raw data in SUPPORT of global warming. So again I ask you from where do you get your raw data. Please be specific as possible so we can all be illuminated.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Technically no one posts "raw" data. What is posted, like the GISS
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    has already been adjusted,

    We could have an entire discussion on what a few tenths of a degree means, but it is moving around in the noise.
    I don't think anyone is manipulating the data with bad intent, but it is being adjusted to try
    and see some sort of signal in the noise.
    Any adjustments made are well within the very large margin of error.
    OK so "technically" they don't post the raw data but they reference and most of the agency will provide any raw data you want if you order it. Like this from GISS from NASA. Just fill out the form and they provide the data.
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/

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