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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Sorry, you kind of lose a little credibility when you tell people the worlds gonna end unless they pay you.

    Because thats essentially what the Pro AGW crowd is saying.

    Pay us because your'e destroying our planet.

    Pay us or your'e a selfish denier and want to destroy the environment.

    Its such BS.


    Such a silly mischaracterization.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Thanks for the link. To me doing the data that way is a flawed way of looking at the data. The reason is it pulling data from random specific years does not take into account outliers and has a tendency to miss the large picture. A more accurate representation would be to take an average of each decade and compare them that way. That has its own problems also (taking and average of an average is fraught with inaccuracy). Their are two possible ways to get a better more accurate representation of the data. One is to perform a year by year comparison of each decades average. The second way is plot a line chart with all the data. If you apply a line chart it becomes much easier to see. You can however see it also straight from the chart. It isn't that easy but one quick way to gauge is just on the sheer number of negative temperature (temp drops). They completely disappear after 1994. If you again look closer at the chart you can tell that while the numbers may not be getting too much higher than where they were in the 90's and early 2000's the lower numbers are not anywhere near the lower numbers for the 90's.
    Not for calculating acceleration, for acceleration it is better to start from a fixed time/speed.
    the bottom line was the decade to decade temperature was accelerating at .39 C per decade from 1993 to 2003,
    from 2003 to 2013 the acceleration dropped to only .01 C per decade.
    you can calculate it other ways, but that is the data.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So...you have proof that man is causing "Global Warming"? No...wait...you have proof that man is "influencing climate change".

    Awesome. The 'scientists' that are continuously manipulating raw data to excuse or justify why the data isnt showing what its 'supposed' to show will be so excited.
    Yes, that is proof that man is causing global warming. You seem to have some kind of bizarre obsession with labels and semantics.

    Oh so now you're back to the global science conspiracy involving every major institution in the world.

    You're a truther.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Not really, acceleration is change velocity over a change in time, in this case the velocity is the increase in temperature.
    calculating from an average temp/time would lead to ambiguous results.
    What?

    That's just an embarrassing retort.

    I expected better from you. Really.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yes, that is proof that man is causing global warming. You seem to have some kind of bizarre obsession with labels and semantics.

    Oh so now you're back to the global science conspiracy involving every major institution in the world.

    You're a truther.
    Lol...I bet you actually believe this also.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If I 'sign' something that has no validity and I never tak the steps to make it valid, then have I really 'signed' anything?

    The United States (U.S.), although a signatory to the Kyoto Protocol, has neither ratified nor withdrawn from the Protocol. The signature alone is merely symbolic, as the Kyoto Protocol is non-binding on the United States unless ratified.
    Clinton administration

    On 25 July 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was finalized (although it had been fully negotiated, and a penultimate draft was finished), the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95–0 vote the Byrd–Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98),[83][84] which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing nations as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On 12 November 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations.[85] The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification.

    Symbolic bull**** that meant nothing, did nothing, was never acted on, and was ignored by the global warming activists until Bush became president.

    Symbolic gestures ARE very important in politics especially international politics. That said again YOU were the one that stated clearly that Bill Clinton did NOT sign the Kyoto Accords. Now you are saying he did. Whether or not it is symbolic it is proof that your original characterization of him doing nothing was wrong and misleading.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Lol...I bet you actually believe this also.
    I am still waiting for you to provide that link to your super secret climate denier data.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Not for calculating acceleration, for acceleration it is better to start from a fixed time/speed.
    the bottom line was the decade to decade temperature was accelerating at .39 C per decade from 1993 to 2003,
    from 2003 to 2013 the acceleration dropped to only .01 C per decade.
    you can calculate it other ways, but that is the data.
    That is not how you would calculate whether warming is accelerating or not. The reason for that is because as I said before, choosing a random year can skew the results because of outliers. The only worthwhile way to view it is on a single line graph with all the temperatures put in place. Not just choosing single year points and comparing them.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    That is not how you would calculate whether warming is accelerating or not. The reason for that is because as I said before, choosing a random year can skew the results because of outliers. The only worthwhile way to view it is on a single line graph with all the temperatures put in place. Not just choosing single year points and comparing them.
    That is a proper method of calculating acceleration, over a fixed unit of time, and my time frame was not random but an even decade.
    the start of my timing also was not random, as I started with the most current date.
    I will see if I have time to run the series in year by year.
    The reality, is I did not know how the data would turn out until I ran the difference series, I accepted the results because I followed proper methodology.
    You did not like the results, because it was counter to what you have been told.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post


    Such a silly mischaracterization.
    Such a dishonest rebuttal, but then again the Pro AGW people aren't known for their integrity.

    From Carbon Taxes to grant money to paying more for energy due to stupid new regulations, the Sky is falling false narrative has always been about money.

    Al Gore didn't sell his network to a Company that makes Solar panels and he has a tendency to purchase property on the very same coast lines that, according to him are going to soon be under water.

    You're just too dishonest to admit it.

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