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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    We are confronted with the accelerating effects climate change. Finger pointing seems to me to be just a bit childish at this point.
    Global temperatures are still warming, but the decade to decade growth has slowed down A LOT!
    decade_delta.png
    From the GISS global average data set.
    The 2003 to 2013 rate of acceleration was 39 times slower than the 1993 to 2003 rate.
    So it is still warming, but the amount of warming is down in the noise.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Global temperatures are still warming, but the decade to decade growth has slowed down A LOT!
    decade_delta.png
    From the GISS global average data set.
    The 2003 to 2013 rate of acceleration was 39 times slower than the 1993 to 2003 rate.
    So it is still warming, but the amount of warming is down in the noise.
    Please provide a link to the data you are using. There are a lot of charts floating around out there that show a wide variety of information. Most of which is hand picked. If you pick on specific spot or spots to choos data from your results can be skewed. As you can see from my link it is clear that overall, over both land an sea temperatures are rising and rising at an accelerating rate.

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Please provide a link to the data you are using. There are a lot of charts floating around out there that show a wide variety of information. Most of which is hand picked. If you pick on specific spot or spots to choos data from your results can be skewed. As you can see from my link it is clear that overall, over both land an sea temperatures are rising and rising at an accelerating rate.

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
    Up until 18 years ago. ...

    God damn for a group that claims to be about the science, you people are oblivious to the data.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Up until 18 years ago. ...

    God damn for a group that claims to be about the science, you people are oblivious to the data.
    Please provide a link to your "data". Or is it super-secret climate deniers eyes only.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Please provide a link to the data you are using. There are a lot of charts floating around out there that show a wide variety of information. Most of which is hand picked. If you pick on specific spot or spots to choos data from your results can be skewed. As you can see from my link it is clear that overall, over both land an sea temperatures are rising and rising at an accelerating rate.

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    I used the J-D column, and expressed the data in degrees C.
    I just started with the GISS last full year, and got the difference from the decade before,
    repeating back to 1883.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    I used the J-D column, and expressed the data in degrees C.
    I just started with the GISS last full year, and got the difference from the decade before,
    repeating back to 1883.
    Wouldn't a five year moving average be a bit more....honest?

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    I used the J-D column, and expressed the data in degrees C.
    I just started with the GISS last full year, and got the difference from the decade before,
    repeating back to 1883.
    Thanks for the link. To me doing the data that way is a flawed way of looking at the data. The reason is it pulling data from random specific years does not take into account outliers and has a tendency to miss the large picture. A more accurate representation would be to take an average of each decade and compare them that way. That has its own problems also (taking and average of an average is fraught with inaccuracy). Their are two possible ways to get a better more accurate representation of the data. One is to perform a year by year comparison of each decades average. The second way is plot a line chart with all the data. If you apply a line chart it becomes much easier to see. You can however see it also straight from the chart. It isn't that easy but one quick way to gauge is just on the sheer number of negative temperature (temp drops). They completely disappear after 1994. If you again look closer at the chart you can tell that while the numbers may not be getting too much higher than where they were in the 90's and early 2000's the lower numbers are not anywhere near the lower numbers for the 90's.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Have you ever taken a look at the evidence? I know you haven't because you say things that make it obvious you know absolutely nothing about climate science or science in general. Take for instance your meme about "climate has always been changing". Ignorant people think this is witty, little do they know they give away their understanding when they do it. Of course the climate is constantly changing, anyone who was awake during high school Earth science would know this. When we talk about agw we are talking about changing the climate from its natural variability. If you took even a preliminary look at the evidence you would know this.

    You mock me for having faith in science? Look at what science has given us, the computer you're communicating with, the moon landing, the theory of relativity. Science as a whole has a stellar record. So what am I going to trust? Science or... right-wing blogs? Politicians? I don't trust Al Gore, I trust science. Should I trust the fossil fuel industry over science? I don't think so. If you knew even the first thing about science and scientists, you would know that they care about the truth more than money, or fame, or anything. They are devoted to their work and only care about discovery, about learning. Yet you think these same people are all part of an elaborate conspiracy to lie? How stupid is that.

    So really, who is the fool here? Tell me who it is you trust?
    Oh I believe in science...just not the mindless junk science that is continuously promoted by the AGW crowd. The one constant in the push to prove that man has created Global Warming (again...notice how you capitulate on the global warming and lower the bar...please...GAWD let us prove man is somehow INFLUENCING the climate change) is that the science has NOT proven that man is causing global warming. Hell, they have to create computer models and manipulate data to try and get it to show what it is 'supposed' to show.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    QUOTE=VanceMack;1063311427]Cute. SO...they signed the treaty which did nothing and refused to submit it to the Senate for passage for 4 years (and not because of 'politics' but because the Byrd Amendment GUARANTEED it would never pass)...but boy...you can come out from under the rocks when Bush was president (and you did...for 8 long years). And now...poooooooooof....vapor...
    So you admit that your previous post was either in error or intentionally misleading whe you stated President Clinton failed to sign Kyoto. A little progress here.

    Now to the larger point of your argument. Does it really matter what other Presidents have or have not done in the past? Or how active people are or are not at any point in time on this issue? We are confronted with the accelerating effects climate change. Finger pointing seems to me to be just a bit childish at this point.[/QUOTE]Not at all. Clinton sent Gore to endorse the Treaty but the treaty is WORTHLESS until it is ratified by the senate and signed by the president. And that happened...never.

    Its really NOT about what the presidents did or did not do. Its about the Global Warming crowd and their tendency to find their voice ONLY when it is a republican in the White House.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So you admit that your previous post was either in error or intentionally misleading whe you stated President Clinton failed to sign Kyoto. A little progress here.

    Now to the larger point of your argument. Does it really matter what other Presidents have or have not done in the past? Or how active people are or are not at any point in time on this issue? We are confronted with the accelerating effects climate change. Finger pointing seems to me to be just a bit childish at this point.
    Not at all. Clinton sent Gore to endorse the Treaty but the treaty is WORTHLESS until it is ratified by the senate and signed by the president. And that happened...never.

    Its really NOT about what the presidents did or did not do. Its about the Global Warming crowd and their tendency to find their voice ONLY when it is a republican in the White House.[/QUOTE]

    You stated just a few posts ago and I quote....

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Bill Clintons 'failure' to sign Kyoto.
    Now you are saying he may of signed it but Congress didn't ratify it. Ergo your original statement above is eithr wrong or you were intentionally trying to mislead people. Either way it doesn't matter.

    The idea of relegating climate change to partisan issue is assanine.

    To your point about "junk" science you are fool if you do not believe there is good science backing up AGW. The indication of which dates back to 1883. We know for a FACT that CO2 absorbs long-wave radiation and deflects it back in all directions. Solar radiation is predominantly short wave. Ergo Short wave comes in heats up the earth the earth emits long-wave radiation. The more CO2 in the atmosphere the more heat gets radiated back to the earth. This really is eigth grade science. It is not junk science. It is provable, observable and recreatable.

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