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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Then post some science... That's an opinion survey that seems to be based on published papers, and not actual conversations.

    I would like to see the actual procedure here, I'm surprised they didn't just claim 100%? The Eco-fascists have a track record for rationally addressing criticisms.

    It's especially funny when the data hasn't matched the hypothesis for, and I've been corrected, 18 years now. It's funny though because these delusional morons actually expect people to believe their new definition of science where the hypothesis failing is only further proof that the hypothesis is correct.
    Published papers are the conversation.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Published papers are the conversation.
    Yes, and 97-98% of lemmings believe walking over a cliff is fine because the one in front did it.

    I'll stop being subtle, this entire position is an appeal to authority fallacy.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, and 97-98% of lemmings believe walking over a cliff is fine because the one in front did it.

    I'll stop being subtle, this entire position is an appeal to authority fallacy.
    Again, that's not how that fallacy works. It would nice to see it used properly. If you need me to post it again, I will. But you're are incorrectly calling this a fallacy. It is proper to use actual experts in a field. Not a fallacy.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No j, it isn't. And that's the problem you guys have. Why those less extreme see your side as anti science.
    Childish tantrums, and name calling doesn't make the lemmings on your side "less extreme" just misguided, and easily duped.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yep. Fringe individuals.

    And no, your sources are not as good.
    you might want to check your own i didn't think alarmists sites were considered valid but i guess if it agrees with you then alarmists sites are perfectly fine.

    while i didn't know real climate scientists and nasa engineers weren't good sources. if that is the case then your sources are even worse since your sources maniplutate data, lie, and all around try to stifle any opposition to their political agenda.

    what is worse your main source the IPCC isn't even run by a climatologist. it is run by an industrial engineer and a economist. who by chance is heavily invested in green carbon trading companies.

    yep no conflict of interest there.

    who also by the way was busted for not using peer reviewed papers in a report.

    i think you need to clean your sources up a bit before critizing someone elses.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, that's not how that fallacy works. It would nice to see it used properly. If you need me to post it again, I will. But you're are incorrectly calling this a fallacy. It is proper to use actual experts in a field. Not a fallacy.
    since your sources are wrong on the subject then yes it is a fallacy.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not a secret: climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    Climate Change: Consensus
    let's break down this consensus you speak of.
    climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,
    This is the only part of what you said that has value in measuring any type of consensus,
    because organizations, do not count as individuals.
    "agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities"
    What are they agreeing to?
    Are they agreeing to the full range of catastrophic predictions by the IPCC?
    We do not know, because they did not ask that question!
    Are they maybe agreeing to the idea that feedback from CO2's direct response,
    will cause catastrophic warming?
    We do not know, because they did not ask that question!
    Ah, Maybe they are agreeing CO2 is a greenhouse gas and has a warming curve,
    that is accepted by Physics?
    But that could not be it, that amount of warming is not alarming.
    I actually agree that some of the warming over the past century
    is very likely due to human activity.
    So the consensus, is quite vague, vague enough to include
    anyone who understands Science, including myself.
    So how can I be skeptical of the catastrophic predictions, and yet be part of the consensus?

    This drives home, something I have discussed before,
    There are two separate concepts within the idea known as AGW.
    The first is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and likely causes some warming.
    The second concept, is that combinations of feedbacks, will cause catastrophic warming,
    beyond the accepted direct response of CO2.
    The consensus idea, would lead one to believe, anyone who accepts the first part,
    automatically accepts the second, but they are completely different.
    The direct response was known and measured, before we had Quantum to understand what was going on.
    The second part has never been quantified, and may not even exists.

    The instrument record reflects what I am saying.
    If you accept the IPCC's number for the direct response of CO2 (1.2 C for each doubling),
    then there is only .2 C of the .8 C in the last 133 years that could be attributed to
    all other effects known and unknown.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Then post some science... That's an opinion survey that seems to be based on published papers, and not actual conversations.

    I would like to see the actual procedure here, I'm surprised they didn't just claim 100%?.
    Sorry. I guess a paper from PNAS isn't good enough for you, huh?

    In the world of science, it's probably considered to be in the top 3 interdisciplinary journals in the world, but since you don't like the conclusions (despite not having even read it ...the 'actual procedure' would be covered in the methods section of the paper, natch) you dismiss it out of hand.

    Of course, a few other published papers reinforce the exact same conclusions too (Orestes, Cook, and a couple others I can't recall), but you insist upon 'real science'.

    This is getting clownish.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Sorry. I guess a paper from PNAS isn't good enough for you, huh?

    In the world of science, it's probably considered to be in the top 3 interdisciplinary journals in the world, but since you don't like the conclusions (despite not having even read it ...the 'actual procedure' would be covered in the methods section of the paper, natch) you dismiss it out of hand.

    Of course, a few other published papers reinforce the exact same conclusions too (Orestes, Cook, and a couple others I can't recall), but you insist upon 'real science'.

    This is getting clownish.
    Then link to the papers and make points about the most recent failure of the warmists.

    Do you not realize the difference between a scientific paper and an inion survey?

    Opinion surveys, EVEN WHEN THEY ACTUALLY TALK TO THE PEOPLE GIVING ANSWERS, are NOT scientific. They did not even talk to people, they looked at papers WRITTEN BY AGW SCIENTISTS, WHO MAKE MONEY ALARMING ABOUT AGW, AND STILL they could not keep 100% support.

    What would happen if they ASKED those scientists? Would it drop down to 80%? Then include scientists in all disciplines, does it drop to 47% ?

    Hell, even If that was a meta study of climate science papers that would be more scientific than this tripe.

    Why do you think I'm throwing out all these other equivalent "studies"?

    97-98 % of :
    - motorists prefer cheap gas
    - monkeys like bananas
    - catholic priests prefer little boys

    Don't you see how meaningless it is?

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Childish tantrums, and name calling doesn't make the lemmings on your side "less extreme" just misguided, and easily duped.
    No tantrum. No name calling. Not on my part anyway.

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