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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no you linked an alarmist site to try and prove my source wrong. yes that is called pot meet kettle.

    you use peer reviewed papers by people that believe in global warming and are the same people that peer review the same papers.
    umm this is what we call a conflict of interest.

    Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C.

    Some Global Warming Q&A To Consider in Light of the EPA Ruling « Roy Spencer, PhD

    if you actually look at real data charts and not those politcal charts by the IPCC you can clearly see warm and cold periods that
    happen in cycles.

    both sites from climatologist and one a former NASA scientist so why does their information match observed and the IPCC is so far off that only 3 models they have were remotely correct?
    No, I've linked many sites, mostly mainstream.

    I've learned on the Internet you can find anyone who'll say anything. Your side needs to stop trying to find fringe individuals and match true scientific communities that actually disagree. In the past, much of your sides efforts to that have proven to be false, debunked by the scientists your side has quoted as disagreeing. This tenancy to mislead puts everything your side throws up in question. You use sites like Forbes, sites that have nothing to do with science. There's likely a reason for that.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    It's not a secret: climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    Climate Change: Consensus
    U.S. Agencies Accused of Fudging Data to Show Global Warming
    lol busted yet again.

    you can only try to deceive before other people start double checking your numbers. that is what is happening.

    Breaking: New Climate Data Rigging Scandal Rocks US Government | Principia Scientific Intl

    wow why is this the first time i have seen this? this hardly made a blip and it just came out in january.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I've linked many sites, mostly mainstream.

    I've learned on the Internet you can find anyone who'll say anything. Your side needs to stop trying to find fringe individuals and match true scientific communities that actually disagree. In the past, much of your sides efforts to that have proven to be false, debunked by the scientists your side has quoted as disagreeing. This tenancy to mislead puts everything your side throws up in question. You use sites like Forbes, sites that have nothing to do with science. There's likely a reason for that.
    LOL fringe individuals that not only worked for nasa but are climatologist and experts in their field. since all you can do is ad hominem instead of actually address the facts of the article you lose.

    climate data or whatever it has nothing to do with science either it is a alarmist conspiracy site.
    forbes has way more credibility than climate data does. your is nothing but an alarmist site forbes is an world wide recognized magazine on a host of topics and other links contain people that are actual climate scientist one of which worked for nasa.

    so my sources are just as good as yours. the only difference is that your ideology won't allow you to see anything but what someone tells you.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    U.S. Agencies Accused of Fudging Data to Show Global Warming
    lol busted yet again.

    you can only try to deceive before other people start double checking your numbers. that is what is happening.

    Breaking: New Climate Data Rigging Scandal Rocks US Government | Principia Scientific Intl

    wow why is this the first time i have seen this? this hardly made a blip and it just came out in january.
    LOL.

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    And I Rabin across this: The paper was written for Principia Scientific International (PSI) which tries to pass itself off as a scientific organisation. It isn’t. It’s a UK based publicity business owned by shareholders.

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...6131946AA0JKJ3


    Funny how you guys can never see this.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    LOL fringe individuals that not only worked for nasa but are climatologist and experts in their field. since all you can do is ad hominem instead of actually address the facts of the article you lose.

    climate data or whatever it has nothing to do with science either it is a alarmist conspiracy site.
    forbes has way more credibility than climate data does. your is nothing but an alarmist site forbes is an world wide recognized magazine on a host of topics and other links contain people that are actual climate scientist one of which worked for nasa.

    so my sources are just as good as yours. the only difference is that your ideology won't allow you to see anything but what someone tells you.
    Yep. Fringe individuals.

    And no, your sources are not as good.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    U.S. Agencies Accused of Fudging Data to Show Global Warming
    lol busted yet again.

    you can only try to deceive before other people start double checking your numbers. that is what is happening.

    Breaking: New Climate Data Rigging Scandal Rocks US Government | Principia Scientific Intl

    wow why is this the first time i have seen this? this hardly made a blip and it just came out in january.
    I did run across this and thought I'd share:

    Thus although our results were straightforward and consistent with previous research, we were not surprised when they met with resistance from certain groups, and anticipated the critiques with an FAQ. However, in reviewing the various criticisms of our paper, we noticed some common threads amongst them. A 2009 paper published in the European Journal of Public Health by Pascal Diethelm and Martin McKee discussed five characteristics common to scientific denialism:

    1) Cherry picking;
    2) Fake experts;
    3) Misrepresentation and logical fallacies.
    4) Impossible expectations of what research can deliver; and
    5) Conspiracy theories;

    97% global warming consensus meets resistance from scientific denialism | Dana Nuccitelli | Environment | theguardian.com

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, either you accept science or you don't. That's the issue here.



    and there we se the unvarnished problem.


    Coupled with the lecture on authority we have the black and white, you either agree or you are a "denier".

    News flash, "science" makes mistakes, it is not a benign god, but a corruption ridden cesspool of greed and ego like every other institution on the face of the earth. Knowledge is not authority, credibility is....being right.

    So far there has been far, far too little of that and far too much shouting down of anyone who doubts, in which case the tendency to lend authority is with the doubter.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    and there we se the unvarnished problem.


    Coupled with the lecture on authority we have the black and white, you either agree or you are a "denier".

    News flash, "science" makes mistakes, it is not a benign god, but a corruption ridden cesspool of greed and ego like every other institution on the face of the earth. Knowledge is not authority, credibility is....being right.

    So far there has been far, far too little of that and far too much shouting down of anyone who doubts, in which case the tendency to lend authority is with the doubter.
    Never said it didn't make mistakes. I said it was the best information available. No one be expected to treat the guesses, the opinions, the beliefs of the novice over the scientific community. Instead, there has to be actual, accepted scientific evidence to the contrary and the the shell game deniers are too often playing.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Co2 is a green house gas and does trap heat. it is also toxic to breathe.
    man does produce co2 but only a very very small amount of it compared to nature. according to the IPCC man only contributes 3-5% of the total co2 produced in a year.
    they were forced to admit it in a congressional hearing.

    the argument is if what man produces is enough to cause the entire devastation that alarmist harp on about. the answer is clearly no.
    there is something else that drives hot and cold cycles besides a gas that makes up less than 1% of our entire atmosphere.
    The amount of greenhouse gasses put into the atmosphere by a single volcano dwarfs the entire human output. Know how many volcanoes erupt every single years? An average of 50. Try again.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    The amount of greenhouse gasses put into the atmosphere by a single volcano dwarfs the entire human output. Know how many volcanoes erupt every single years? An average of 50. Try again.
    What if I told you your little factoid was not true?


    Would you reconsider the source of the 'fact' as deliberately lying to you to tell you things that would make you propagate incorrect understanding of the issue? Or would you just dismiss it as an innocent mistake and slurp up more 'facts' from the source?

    Because volcanos emit much, much less CO2 than man. In fact, its about 1%of what man emits.

    Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?

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