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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    If any consensus exists, it would have to be very vague,
    something like,
    Do you believe Human activity has played a roll in the observed warming?
    If most people thought about it, the answer would have to be yes.
    If the questions got more specific, like,
    Do you believe if CO2 leaves hit 560 ppm, the ECS will be between 3 and 4.5 C?
    You would likely see Scientist start to hedge their bets, like the IPCC has already done.
    http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima..._SPM_FINAL.pdf

    This may not sound much like hedging their bets,
    but remember the center of the predicted range, is 3 C.
    It exists, and it's not that vague. Look I've read a lot, and talked to scientists at universities across the country. There is not the disagreement you suggest.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    only because it shows that there is no consensus.

    and your link is nothing more than a alarmist website. forbes has way more credibility than so called climate science watch



    pot meet kettle.
    No, because it is down right deceptive. Btw, Fobres is not a scientific journal. You do realize thus right?

    And no, I use multiple sources, including peer reviewed sources.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It exists, and it's not that vague. Look I've read a lot, and talked to scientists at universities across the country. There is not the disagreement you suggest.
    Its obvious there is a solid knowledge AGW is real and is a real problem to anyone with a brain or not self-deluding themselves.

    Look at Scientific American. A respected journal that discusses high end popular science, but is aimed toward extremely scientifically literate readers (not like, say, Discover) and has been known for excellence in scientific journalism for 150 years. Do you see the denier nonsense published there? No.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Hate to tell you, but generally scientists tend not to be in it for the money.

    You don't spend all that time in grad school and getting a fairly modest academic salary focusing upon money, especially grant money they pretty much goes to pay for equipment and grad students, not champagne and caviar....
    You are correct about the money, but there are other forms of compensation.
    The ability to choose the direction of your own research, to be able to use the Universities research facilities.
    Space to develop you own research facilities when you get funded grants,
    Pools of Grad students willing to work for almost free,
    Happy just to include their name on a published paper.
    The prestige of being a University professor.
    Light and flexible work schedule.
    Limited ownership of your own creations.
    These things have significant value, just not measured in dollars.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It exists, and it's not that vague. Look I've read a lot, and talked to scientists at universities across the country. There is not the disagreement you suggest.
    So what exactly does this consensus agree on?
    Clearly if it exists, they must have agreement on something.
    If it is not a vague concept, then it must be a concise concept.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, can you show that most scientists work for the government? Didn't think so. That's just another strawman that y'all have bought into just to give you an excuse to ignore AGW.

    And btw, it's not just the climatologists. 90% of ALL scientists (including oceanologists, geologists, zoologists, botanists, et al who see the effects of AGW in their own fields) - and every national science foundation on the planet - agree that AGW is very real.

    But since the liberals agree with the scientists, well, THAT means that all those scientists must be wrong! It's a grand conspiracy, y'see...hundreds of thousands of scientists and untold millions of liberals are all in on the conspiracy, and we've successfully kept it secret from all those conservatives for all these years....
    It was a helluva lot warmer in the Middle Ages than it is now. But elections weren't won based on that day's climate, so it didn't make the Medieval internet.

    Today's AGW cultish zealotry is akin to radical Islam. It is not to be questioned, for it is desperately needed to keep the big-government train on its tracks.

    It's all quite transparent.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It was a helluva lot warmer in the Middle Ages than it is now. But elections weren't won based on that day's climate, so it didn't make the Medieval internet.
    WRONG.

    2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.jpg


    Today's AGW cultish zealotry is akin to radical Islam. It is not to be questioned, for it is desperately needed to keep the big-government train on its tracks.
    *sigh*. Why is it that every time there's something that there's something that conservatives don't like, it's compared to Islam or terrorists or Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Castro or the Holocaust or slavery?

    Could it be...satan????

    It's all quite transparent.
    Yes, it is...to those of us who don't pretend that 90% of the world's scientists aren't all part of some kind of vast left-wing conspiracy....
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Most global warming is caused by an increased solar cycle and increased volcanic activity. I'm still waiting to see the crazy liberals claim that man is responsible for the sun and volcanoes.
    Co2 is a green house gas and does trap heat. it is also toxic to breathe.
    man does produce co2 but only a very very small amount of it compared to nature. according to the IPCC man only contributes 3-5% of the total co2 produced in a year.
    they were forced to admit it in a congressional hearing.

    the argument is if what man produces is enough to cause the entire devastation that alarmist harp on about. the answer is clearly no.
    there is something else that drives hot and cold cycles besides a gas that makes up less than 1% of our entire atmosphere.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    So what exactly does this consensus agree on?
    Clearly if it exists, they must have agreement on something.
    If it is not a vague concept, then it must be a concise concept.
    It's not a secret: climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    Climate Change: Consensus

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, because it is down right deceptive. Btw, Fobres is not a scientific journal. You do realize thus right?

    And no, I use multiple sources, including peer reviewed sources.
    no you linked an alarmist site to try and prove my source wrong. yes that is called pot meet kettle.

    you use peer reviewed papers by people that believe in global warming and are the same people that peer review the same papers.
    umm this is what we call a conflict of interest.

    Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C.

    Some Global Warming Q&A To Consider in Light of the EPA Ruling « Roy Spencer, PhD

    if you actually look at real data charts and not those politcal charts by the IPCC you can clearly see warm and cold periods that
    happen in cycles.

    both sites from climatologist and one a former NASA scientist so why does their information match observed and the IPCC is so far off that only 3 models they have were remotely correct?

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