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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Sadly, these days science has become infiltrated and corrupted by money. Politicians have figured out how to virtually launder money through scaring people with made-up science. That's the case with AGW.

    This is the same science that has people popping pills at an alarming rate. The drug companies are making a fortune on the same scare tactics. People don't need to take 10 percent of what they are taking.

    And remember 25 years ago when we were all going to drop like flies from AIDS? What happened to that?

    There's a sliver of the scientific world still working as it should. But so much of it is purely bent on greed and political manipulation.
    Again, just as it was with tobacco, the money and corruption lies most with industry. And aids was and is still deadly. What happened was money was spent on treatment and attacking the disease, and not on denying it existed.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Science hasn't even determined that CO2 causes global warming. Might want to prove that first.
    Yes, science HAS determined it. But we can't force you to accept the science, just as we can't force you to accept evolution. You've decided that AGW can't be true...and a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that in your right-wing echo chamber, all you'll hear is AGW is bad and wrong and a great hoax being used to foist higher taxes and socialism upon all the freedom-loving capitalists out there.

    Which has a lot to do with why only 6% of scientists are Republican, btw.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, science HAS determined it. But we can't force you to accept the science, just as we can't force you to accept evolution. You've decided that AGW can't be true...and a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that in your right-wing echo chamber, all you'll hear is AGW is bad and wrong and a great hoax being used to foist higher taxes and socialism upon all the freedom-loving capitalists out there.

    Which has a lot to do with why only 6% of scientists are Republican, btw.
    Hook, line, and sinker.

    Scientists who want the government to reward them handsomely for research tend to be Democrats? You don't say.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Hook, line, and sinker.

    Scientists who want the government to reward them handsomely for research tend to be Democrats? You don't say.
    Hate to tell you, but generally scientists tend not to be in it for the money.

    You don't spend all that time in grad school and getting a fairly modest academic salary focusing upon money, especially grant money they pretty much goes to pay for equipment and grad students, not champagne and caviar....
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it is not done by exaggerating disagreement. And consensus does give us a clear idea what the science does and doesn't support.
    If any consensus exists, it would have to be very vague,
    something like,
    Do you believe Human activity has played a roll in the observed warming?
    If most people thought about it, the answer would have to be yes.
    If the questions got more specific, like,
    Do you believe if CO2 leaves hit 560 ppm, the ECS will be between 3 and 4.5 C?
    You would likely see Scientist start to hedge their bets, like the IPCC has already done.
    http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima..._SPM_FINAL.pdf
    Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is likely to exceed
    1.5°C relative to 1850 to 1900 for all RCP scenarios except RCP2.6. It is likely to exceed 2°C
    for RCP6.0 and RCP8.5, and more likely than not to exceed 2°C for RCP4.5.
    This may not sound much like hedging their bets,
    but remember the center of the predicted range, is 3 C.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Hook, line, and sinker.

    Scientists who want the government to reward them handsomely for research tend to be Democrats? You don't say.
    Um, can you show that most scientists work for the government? Didn't think so. That's just another strawman that y'all have bought into just to give you an excuse to ignore AGW.

    And btw, it's not just the climatologists. 90% of ALL scientists (including oceanologists, geologists, zoologists, botanists, et al who see the effects of AGW in their own fields) - and every national science foundation on the planet - agree that AGW is very real.

    But since the liberals agree with the scientists, well, THAT means that all those scientists must be wrong! It's a grand conspiracy, y'see...hundreds of thousands of scientists and untold millions of liberals are all in on the conspiracy, and we've successfully kept it secret from all those conservatives for all these years....
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I'll believe global warming is a crisis when the people who say it's crisis start acting like there's a crisis rather than flying jumbo jets all over creation to go golfing with a retinue of 300 people.

    On the other hand, maybe I still won't believe it.
    Certainly, there is global warming going on, it's just not man's fault. Temperatures fluctuate, we can look at just the last 12,000 years and see they've gone up and down and it hasn't been our fault then either. Liberals want to blame man for everything, they want us to be responsible because they don't like the idea of being powerless. It's an emotional thing for them, not a rational thing.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Forbes is deceptive.
    only because it shows that there is no consensus.

    and your link is nothing more than a alarmist website. forbes has way more credibility than so called climate science watch

    your other claim is also rather limited to a single source. Doesn't seem to be shared by anything close to objective.
    pot meet kettle.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Certainly, there is global warming going on, it's just not man's fault. Temperatures fluctuate, we can look at just the last 12,000 years and see they've gone up and down and it hasn't been our fault then either. Liberals want to blame man for everything, they want us to be responsible because they don't like the idea of being powerless. It's an emotional thing for them, not a rational thing.

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    yep when compared to history this warming period is a blip on the radar.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yep when compared to history this warming period is a blip on the radar.
    Most global warming is caused by an increased solar cycle and increased volcanic activity. I'm still waiting to see the crazy liberals claim that man is responsible for the sun and volcanoes.
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