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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    It actually is that simple, that is why they have such a big range in the predictions. Not only do they not know what all the variables that affect the feedbacks are, For many they cannot even tell if the feedback will be positive or negative. An example, Extra heat causes humidity to increase, causing more clouds. Do cloudy conditions add to, or take away from total warming?
    I quite disagree. They consensus is so wide spread that there seems little doubt on the issue. And the novice clearly gets a lot a wrong. More than once the concerns have been addressed by scientists and rather consistently the novice has been wrong.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    if it stood by itself then they shouldn't have such a hard time trying to convience people. more so they wouldn't have to hijack a real term "climate change" to push their agenda.
    their global warming term failed so they hijacked a real term.
    Don't you remember how long it took to convince people smoking was harmful? They set the precedence rather convincingly. What someone doesn't want to believe, he won't no matter the evidence. The denier will cling to anything. No matter how small, no matter how poorly supported. Business learned that lessen far better than the bulk of the citizentry has.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    It actually is that simple, that is why they have such a big range in the predictions.
    Not only do they not know what all the variables that affect the feedbacks are,
    For many they cannot even tell if the feedback will be positive or negative.
    An example, Extra heat causes humidity to increase, causing more clouds.
    Do cloudy conditions add to, or take away from total warming?
    just like Co2 it does both. not only will it absorb so much heat it also reflects incoming heat back out into space.

    that is the thing as well co2 can only absorb so much heat. just as water vapor can only abosrb so much heat but there is way more water vapor in the sky than there is co2.
    in fact water vapor makes up 97% of greenhouse gases.

    it also reflects heat back out into space.

    what is interesting is that we are techincally still in a thawing phase from the ice age, and probably the little ice age as well.

    for some reason that alarmist think that earth climate should never change and that would simply be untrue. you would end up destroying more and more
    than helping.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wrong. The science stands by itself.
    No, it really doesn't. The so called "science" on this is now propaganda.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. They consensus is so wide spread that there seems little doubt on the issue. And the novice clearly gets a lot a wrong. More than once the concerns have been addressed by scientists and rather consistently the novice has been wrong.
    addressed by people that believe in AGW and there is not a consenses by any stretch of the imagination.

    The Latest Meteorologist Survey Destroys The Global Warming Climate 'Consensus' - Forbes

    not to mention the nipcc is gaining ground in scientific circles.

    if the consensus was so complete and not at issues then you wouldn't have climate scientists pulling their names and work from the report due to the IPCC corrupting the data.

    UN Scientists Who Have Turned on the UN IPCC & Man-Made Climate Fears — A Climate Depot Flashback Report | Climate Depot

    the only consensus is imaginary to alarmists to try and shut down debate.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wrong. The science stands by itself.
    The Science that supports the Direct Response of CO2 is fairly solid,
    But the additional warming caused by the open loop feedback called forcing,
    is almost pure speculation.
    It would be very difficult to identify any of this forcing in the instrument record.
    The .2 C that could be attributed to forcing, could also be completely natural.
    Now the .6 C from the direct response of the CO2 increase is on fairly solid ground,
    but is neither alarming nor earth changing.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. They consensus is so wide spread that there seems little doubt on the issue. And the novice clearly gets a lot a wrong. More than once the concerns have been addressed by scientists and rather consistently the novice has been wrong.
    You are free to disagree, and that is how Science is done,by disagreement, not by consensus.
    The reality is there is no real consensus among Scientist, "an extremely broad understanding",
    might be a better statement, but does not carry the same weight.
    The way the sampling was done, would put myself in the warming camp, which I am not.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Until it is uncoupled from the hysterical politics it is just not credible.
    LOL.

    The science can't be correct because you don't like the potential political solutions!

    I don't even think they've invented a name for this logical fallacy yet.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Except that every time it's happened before, we've been able to identify what caused it. This time, however, there's none of those other factors involved...but there IS a new factor that was never involved before: people pumping literally billions and billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere...every freaking year.

    Guy, you do know that every gallon of gasoline burned results in 20 lbs. of CO2 into the atmosphere, right? Look it up - it's simple chemistry. There's a half billion cars operating today, and I think we can safely say each one uses at least a tank per week. So if I'm REALLY kind and say that each car uses only 10 gallons of gas per week, that's 10 times 500M times 20 lbs. of CO2...

    ...every single week. And that's not counting factories or ships or aircraft or trains or military vehicles or trucks.

    What's amazing is that your side has convinced itself that we can pump billions and billions of tons of CO2 into our atmosphere (and deforest tens of thousands of square miles of CO2-absorbing forest) each and every year, but nothing would change in our atmosphere. You can only crap in your own crib for so long before it starts to really stink, guy - and the earth is the crib of humanity.
    And all that still doesn't add up to all the cow farts.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, there would always be something. But let's follow your logic. We can't trust science. What then? We can only trust those who don't know anything about it? Well, then don't go to a doctor. Money's involved, so see aunt Sarah. She's never been to med school, but so what? This is your logic at work.
    Sadly, these days science has become infiltrated and corrupted by money. Politicians have figured out how to virtually launder money through scaring people with made-up science. That's the case with AGW.

    This is the same science that has people popping pills at an alarming rate. The drug companies are making a fortune on the same scare tactics. People don't need to take 10 percent of what they are taking.

    And remember 25 years ago when we were all going to drop like flies from AIDS? What happened to that?

    There's a sliver of the scientific world still working as it should. But so much of it is purely bent on greed and political manipulation.

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