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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Sure, I believe there is global warming going on.

    But I think handling it should be either left to the private sector to handle or the government ONLY if they receive a direct mandate from the people (through a separate referendum on this particular subject - NOT from a general election).

    Otherwise, I think the government should stay out if it as they will probably just make it even worse.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not about "libs" or conservatives. Put I've watch you guys fight every single option. Cap and trade, just as we saw in health care, used to be a republican idea. Every time democrats adopt a republican idea, you guys take that ponzu scheme tack. It's tiresome.

    Here the discussion us about the science and the science alone. Address the science.
    I'll address what I please thank you.

    Explain what carbon credits are in relation to the failed Chicago carbon exchange is and what that has to do with science, if you can without being totally dishonest.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'll address what I please thank you.

    Explain what carbon credits are in relation to the failed Chicago carbon exchange is and what that has to do with science, if you can without being totally dishonest.
    Not sure why I should as it has nothing to do with anything I'm arguing. I'll happily address anything that I'm claiming.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, those who gave these numbers interpret them as meaning global warming is real and that man plays a role. Why should I doubt them and not you?
    Man does play a role.
    Some portion of the increase in CO2 is related to Human activity,
    and there is a direct response (warming ) to increasing CO2.
    For the purpose of this discussion, We could blame all the warming in the last
    133 years on human activity,(unlikely)it still would not be worthy of the
    catastrophic predictions.
    The additional open loop feedback, that is predicted to cause the additional warming,
    so far appears to be a minor player at best, not a game changer.
    The fact that the range of their predictions is so large, tells you something
    of their own confidence in their predictions.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Man does play a role.
    Some portion of the increase in CO2 is related to Human activity,
    and there is a direct response (warming ) to increasing CO2.
    For the purpose of this discussion, We could blame all the warming in the last
    133 years on human activity,(unlikely)it still would not be worthy of the
    catastrophic predictions.
    The additional open loop feedback, that is predicted to cause the additional warming,
    so far appears to be a minor player at best, not a game changer.
    The fact that the range of their predictions is so large, tells you something
    of their own confidence in their predictions.
    only 3 of their models actually were close to the observed data. so the question is why are not all the model recaliberated to those 3.
    more so why are they always chooses the biggest doom and gloom models for their reports when there is little data to back them up.

    the IPCC is nothing more than a political body doing hack science work in order to push a political agenda.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    only 3 of their models actually were close to the observed data. so the question is why are not all the model recaliberated to those 3.
    more so why are they always chooses the biggest doom and gloom models for their reports when there is little data to back them up.

    the IPCC is nothing more than a political body doing hack science work in order to push a political agenda.
    I agree, but I am trying to argue that the mid to high IPCC predictions are unsupported,
    even using their own numbers.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure why I should as it has nothing to do with anything I'm arguing. I'll happily address anything that I'm claiming.
    This is a pattern with you. I ask a question when we were talking about the role of man in any possible in GW. You in turn don't answer until the discussion shifts, then you post a snide comment and proclaim 'we aren't talking about that' as if you control the topic.

    Not to worry though, I never thought you'd be honest anyway.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Man does play a role.
    Some portion of the increase in CO2 is related to Human activity,
    and there is a direct response (warming ) to increasing CO2.
    For the purpose of this discussion, We could blame all the warming in the last
    133 years on human activity,(unlikely)it still would not be worthy of the
    catastrophic predictions.
    The additional open loop feedback, that is predicted to cause the additional warming,
    so far appears to be a minor player at best, not a game changer.
    The fact that the range of their predictions is so large, tells you something
    of their own confidence in their predictions.
    Whether that is true or not, you and I are not in the best position to say. The scientific community has a better understanding and thus a more valid opinion on the matter.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a pattern with you. I ask a question when we were talking about the role of man in any possible in GW. You in turn don't answer until the discussion shifts, then you post a snide comment and proclaim 'we aren't talking about that' as if you control the topic.

    Not to worry though, I never thought you'd be honest anyway.
    But you didn't ask that question. You asked about the political solution, and not about how much of a role man plays. You leap away from from the discussion. If you agree Global warming is real, and you believe man plays a role, then you and only then can you discuss possible solutions to the problem or how to decrease man's role.

    And no, j, I only control what I'm talking about, and only support what I claim. I am not required to leap of cliffs with you at your whim.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whether that is true or not, you and I are not in the best position to say. The scientific community has a better understanding and thus a more valid opinion on the matter.
    this is appeal to authority that doesn't hold water. we are allowed to have valid opinions on the situation more so if it doesn't pass the smell test and what the IPCC is doing doesn't pass the smell test.

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