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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why do you use such short term graphs?
    Didn't know a century was short term, but I often just use the first source that pops up. It serves the purpose here.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Didn't know a century was short term, but I often just use the first source that pops up. It serves the purpose here.
    If we were looking at stock prices and possibly at interest rates going back to 1890 or so would be fine. In geological time 100 or even 10.000 years is an insufficient data row. Here you need to talk many millions of years to be able to see patterns.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If we were looking at stock prices and possibly at interest rates going back to 1890 or so would be fine. In geological time 100 or even 10.000 years is an insufficient data row. Here you need to talk many millions of years to be able to see patterns.
    Not sure that's entirely true. However, even measuring it that long you get this:

    Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that's entirely true. However, even measuring it that long you get this:

    Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

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    That is a fine graph you use there, but it does not show the development relative to other periods in geological time. I find this important to get a feeling for uniqueness or comparability. This graph only shows the atmospheric gas concentrations, but indicates, what I mean.
    http://cdiac.ornl.gov/images/air_bubbles_historical.jpg

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And I told you, scientist don't vote or buy off politicians. So, the hope us to discourage. You guys too often confuse politics and science. Politics us what keeps it from being treated appropriately.
    Then maybe you should address that to the libs pushing the ponzi scheme agenda. As long as you and others tie money to mitigation, you will lose the argument.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is a fine graph you use there, but it does not show the development relative to other periods in geological time. I find this important to get a feeling for uniqueness or comparability. This graph only shows the atmospheric gas concentrations, but indicates, what I mean.
    http://cdiac.ornl.gov/images/air_bubbles_historical.jpg
    I expected that you'd read the article. Remember, it's not the graphs, but the explanation. They don't speak for themselves.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then maybe you should address that to the libs pushing the ponzi scheme agenda. As long as you and others tie money to mitigation, you will lose the argument.
    It's not about "libs" or conservatives. Put I've watch you guys fight every single option. Cap and trade, just as we saw in health care, used to be a republican idea. Every time democrats adopt a republican idea, you guys take that ponzu scheme tack. It's tiresome.

    Here the discussion us about the science and the science alone. Address the science.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I expected that you'd read the article. Remember, it's not the graphs, but the explanation. They don't speak for themselves.
    Actually I had only looked at your graph. Sorry about that. Having read the link, I seem to be missing the proof or reasons why they think temperature will climb faster than in other periods.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually I had only looked at your graph. Sorry about that. Having read the link, I seem to be missing the proof or reasons why they think temperature will climb faster than in other periods.
    Not will climb (though they it will continue), but has climbed faster.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    The political rhetoric will only get more desperate as they claw for any evidence HUMAN INDUCED global warming is occurring.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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