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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The part of this Science that is understood is the direct response of CO2.
    The forcing or open loop feedback if it exists may be so small as to be inconsequential.
    Of the observed .8 C warming observed in the last 133 years, only .2 C are from unattributable sources.
    If the the IPCC numbers for the direct response of CO2 are believed, then there is almost no room for the
    predicted additional feedbacks.
    You've written this up and submitted it to PNAS, I assume?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You've written this up and submitted it to PNAS, I assume?
    And so you fall back to your default comment when you cannot counter the science.
    Everything I have stated is part of the public domain, and is already documented.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    And so you fall back to your default comment when you cannot counter the science.
    Everything I have stated is part of the public domain, and is already documented.
    Right. Yet no scientists seem to take it into account when making their predictions.

    I'm not a climate scientist. Neither are you.

    Why do you pretend you know more than them?

    I know medicine. And when most of the medical profession is solidly accepting of something, I know I need to have a damn good argument, backed by solid science, to have any hope of rationally disagreeing. And even then, i really have to make sure I deeply understand the reason for the consensus, and double check everything I know against that. And the deeper I know the area, the more I need to do this.

    So my 'default comment' contains quite a few layers of truth (as well as an appropriate amount of snark). You seem to just want to ignore that truth.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So science is now decided by 'most' scientists. A simple majority might do.

    Is any specialized training required or will any degree suffice?

    If scientists can vote for the truth, why can't the layman? One in Four in U.S. Are Solidly Skeptical of Global Warming
    I don't understand the "mixed middle" of 36%. Either you are or you ain't. But only 39% solidly believe in the hoax, according to Gallup
    Liberalism—dividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You did a lot to repeat yourself Joe but failed to answer the simplest of questions. If AGW is such a danger to our existence, our future, then why is there a scheme to buy your way to increased pollution?
    And I told you, scientist don't vote or buy off politicians. So, the hope us to discourage. You guys too often confuse politics and science. Politics us what keeps it from being treated appropriately.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. The science is understood. We just have to try to get the people who don't understand science to understand that virtually all scientists are in agreement.
    Your "science" is overwhelmed by millions of years of mother nature's amazing climate change HISTORY...from cold to hot to cold to hot to cold to hot...then repeat the cycle even more times. And all the amazing things that it created (or melted) here on earth. Like the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, the Great Lakes ...AND the glacier that used to cover half of North America, but melted when it warmed up 25,000 years ago. Algore and your smart-ass scientists will NEVER replace mother nature.

    Understand that.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    And so you fall back to your default comment when you cannot counter the science.
    Everything I have stated is part of the public domain, and is already documented.
    However he is correct. There is likely something you're missing. The novice often learns just enough to sound good but come to wrong conclusions. As much as I respect nurses, there's a reason they are not treated like doctors. So, one novice spouting off to another is hardly convincing. You need the scientific community, which really doesn't agree with you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    Your "science" is overwhelmed by millions of years of mother nature's amazing climate change HISTORY...from cold to hot to cold to hot to cold to hot...then repeat the cycle even more times. And all the amazing things that it created (or melted) here on earth. Like the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, the Great Lakes ...AND the glacier that used to cover half of North America, but melted when it warmed up 25,000 years ago. Algore and your smart-ass scientists will NEVER replace mother nature.

    Understand that.
    Thanks for the third grade science review.
    Maybe you'll learn about rates of change in the next grade's textbook.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Right. Yet no scientists seem to take it into account when making their predictions.

    I'm not a climate scientist. Neither are you.

    Why do you pretend you know more than them?

    I know medicine. And when most of the medical profession is solidly accepting of something, I know I need to have a damn good argument, backed by solid science, to have any hope of rationally disagreeing. And even then, i really have to make sure I deeply understand the reason for the consensus, and double check everything I know against that. And the deeper I know the area, the more I need to do this.

    So my 'default comment' contains quite a few layers of truth (as well as an appropriate amount of snark). You seem to just want to ignore that truth.
    What truth? The data is the data, and the existing data says the predicted additional feedbacks are minimal to nonexistent.
    The additional hypothesized open loop feedbacks, are only theoretical until they are ether observed or invalided,
    So far neither has happened.
    The IPCC reports are all about the response to the predicted warming.
    So far there is very little empirical evidence that the additional feedbacks exists, and are capable of causing the predicted warming.
    Scientist like Dr Mann, are predicting we will be at +2 C by 2036, a 1.2 C increase in just 22 years,
    If the temperature is going to get there it batter change slope soon.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    However he is correct. There is likely something you're missing. The novice often learns just enough to sound good but come to wrong conclusions. As much as I respect nurses, there's a reason they are not treated like doctors. So, one novice spouting off to another is hardly convincing. You need the scientific community, which really doesn't agree with you.
    I only rely on numbers not opinions. Most of my 30 + years of R&D have been in Physics and optics, which is why I was skeptical when I first heard about "forcing".
    CO2 is very difficult to pump optically, the most common path is a vibrational transition from nitrogen.
    There is a known and fairly accepted direct response to increasing CO2, that according to the IPCC works out to 1.2 C for each doubling.
    So 140 to 280 ppm 1.2 C
    280 to 560 ppm 1.2 C
    560 to 1120 ppm 1.2 C
    Notice the curve is not linear, and the response per unit increase is not as high.
    We might be able to hit the first doubling, but the second would be almost impossible,
    the cost curves for man made fuels will cross long before then.

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