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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If AGW were such a dire threat to the planet, then why allow polluters to continue if they just pay more? Is that science? Or wealth redistribution?
    Not when the money is going to algore or his friends, it's not?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is factually incorrect. It may seem that way to those in the bubble, but you have it factually incorrect.
    The truth according to Boo Boo....BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    The truth according to Boo Boo....BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
    And most scientists and scientific organizations.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    The truth according to Boo Boo....BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
    Not sure your posts are worth responding to. I've linked science and studies. Try doing the same.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    And most scientists and scientific organizations.
    So science is now decided by 'most' scientists. A simple majority might do.

    Is any specialized training required or will any degree suffice?

    If scientists can vote for the truth, why can't the layman? One in Four in U.S. Are Solidly Skeptical of Global Warming

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure your posts are worth responding to. I've linked science and studies. Try doing the same.
    You did a lot to repeat yourself Joe but failed to answer the simplest of questions. If AGW is such a danger to our existence, our future, then why is there a scheme to buy your way to increased pollution?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Problem is, guy, that in past eons, the world had much more green plant mass - especially forests - with which to absorb the CO2. For example, most of the eastern half of America was essentially one big forest. Almost every time that you see a farm, you are looking at a place that is absorbing less CO2 than it once did - and how many farms are there in this world? In other words, the world can absorb less CO2 than before, but we're pumping billions of tons of CO2 into the air from a source the world never had to deal with.

    You can't claim "reversible chemical process" because the absorbing factor (trees, ocean, green plant mass) is now significantly less than it was before, and is less than the combination of the world's natural producers of CO2 +plus+ the billions of tons we're adding each year. It's the same as in any process - if more is added than can be removed, then the amount of what's added will only go up.
    A tree farm has more trees than a forest, and is pruned regularly. The great planes growing cereal crops that are harvested absorb more than the grasses that were there.
    The hardiness zones have moved north about 100 miles, improving the growth capability of vast millions of acres.
    Some amount of the CO2 increase is unquestionably man's doing, we just do not know how much.
    Thankfully there are limits on how much CO2 we can rearrange, many say we have already passed peak oil.
    The reality is that oil, gas, and coal, will get harder and more expensive to extract.
    Man made carbon fuels will get less expensive, as the technology improves, and alternative energy sources increase.
    The curves will cross, and people will on average always choose the least expensive option.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So science is now decided by 'most' scientists. A simple majority might do.

    Is any specialized training required or will any degree suffice?

    If scientists can vote for the truth, why can't the layman? One in Four in U.S. Are Solidly Skeptical of Global Warming
    No. The science is understood. We just have to try to get the people who don't understand science to understand that virtually all scientists are in agreement.

    You apparently fall into the camp they doesn't get the science OR the concept that certain issues (evolution, plate tectonics, receptor theory, germ theory, AGW) are basic knowledge. That's a really 'special' camp.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. The science is understood. We just have to try to get the people who don't understand science to understand that virtually all scientists are in agreement.

    You apparently fall into the camp they doesn't get the science OR the concept that certain issues (evolution, plate tectonics, receptor theory, germ theory, AGW) are basic knowledge. That's a really 'special' camp.
    The part of this Science that is understood is the direct response of CO2.
    The forcing or open loop feedback if it exists may be so small as to be inconsequential.
    Of the observed .8 C warming observed in the last 133 years, only .2 C are from unattributable sources.
    If the the IPCC numbers for the direct response of CO2 are believed, then there is almost no room for the
    predicted additional feedbacks.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. The science is understood. We just have to try to get the people who don't understand science to understand that virtually all scientists are in agreement.

    You apparently fall into the camp they doesn't get the science OR the concept that certain issues (evolution, plate tectonics, receptor theory, germ theory, AGW) are basic knowledge. That's a really 'special' camp.
    Before you get to where you tell me it could take decades or even centuries for the added CO2 to reach equilibrium,
    Consider Mann's words in his Scientific American article from March of 2014.
    If the world continues to burn fossil fuels at the current rate, global warming will rise 2 degrees Celsius by 2036,

    These numbers come from calculations made by me and several colleagues. We plugged values of Earth’s “equilibrium climate sensitivity”—
    a common measure of the heating effect of greenhouse gases—into a so-called energy balance model.
    Scientists use the model to investigate possible climate scenarios.

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