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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    These "scientists" claim the Antarctic ice caps are melting. It's -70 degrees there. What "science" says ice melts when it's 100 degrees below freezing?

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    Gosh. Maybe if you read a little if what the concept is, you'd understand it looks pretty cretinish to dismiss science without understanding it at all.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...rming-science/

    I'm guessing you also think 'the tides go in, the tides go out....science can't explain that'!

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Interesting, except for the part that it's not due to AGW whatsoever. It's happened countless times before, and will reverse in time again. Of course you won't be here for an "I told you so."

    Gullibility is a weakness.
    Except that every time it's happened before, we've been able to identify what caused it. This time, however, there's none of those other factors involved...but there IS a new factor that was never involved before: people pumping literally billions and billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere...every freaking year.

    Guy, you do know that every gallon of gasoline burned results in 20 lbs. of CO2 into the atmosphere, right? Look it up - it's simple chemistry. There's a half billion cars operating today, and I think we can safely say each one uses at least a tank per week. So if I'm REALLY kind and say that each car uses only 10 gallons of gas per week, that's 10 times 500M times 20 lbs. of CO2...

    ...every single week. And that's not counting factories or ships or aircraft or trains or military vehicles or trucks.

    What's amazing is that your side has convinced itself that we can pump billions and billions of tons of CO2 into our atmosphere (and deforest tens of thousands of square miles of CO2-absorbing forest) each and every year, but nothing would change in our atmosphere. You can only crap in your own crib for so long before it starts to really stink, guy - and the earth is the crib of humanity.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have all sorts of laws and regulations that impose threat of prison. But you can buy your way out of this? Nah, not buyin' the hype Joe.
    Yes, you guys fight every regulation. And that fight has been very successful.

    Scientists noticed something that the public largely overlooked: the most outspoken scientific critiques of global warming predictions did not appear in the standard peer-reviewed scientific publications. The critiques tended to appear in venues funded by industrial groups, or in conservative media like the Wall Street Journal. Most climate experts, while agreeing that future warming was not a proven fact, found the critics' counter-arguments dubious, and some publicly decried their reports as misleading.(123) Other experts, Hansen for one, exclaimed that "wait and see" was no way to deal with the "climate time-bomb." Going beyond calls to limit greenhouse gas emissions, he concluded that "governments must foster conditions leading to population stabilization."(124) On several points open conflict broke out between some scientists, with acrimonious and personalized exchanges.(125)
    To science journalists and their editors, the controversy was confusing, but excellent story material. The American media gave climate change substantial coverage through the late 1980s and early 1990s, notably in the New York Times, which still largely set the agenda for other American media. News magazines published many stories, although television gave only light coverage. Many reporters took a skeptical view of the administration's position. Outside a few deeply conservative media like the Wall Street Journal and right-wing talk radio programs, journalists tended to accept that greenhouse warming was underway. Following the usual tendency of the media to grab attention with dire predictions, a majority of the reports suggested that the consequences of global warming could be cataclysmic, with devastating droughts, ferocious storms, waves attacking drowned coastlines, the spread of deadly tropical diseases. The worst consequences were expected for certain vulnerable developing nations, but as usual the America media gave little attention to the rest of the world. Many stories optimistically suggested that technological progress would solve the problem. Journalists did not often emphasize that citizens might have to make hard choices between conflicting values.

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    But it is often enough to publicize an idea, however wrong, to leave many people convinced that there must be something to it. An analysis of news reports published between 1988 and 2004 in four influential American newspapers found that more than half of the articles gave roughly as much attention to the small band of denier scientists as they did to the view accepted by the IPCC and all the other rigorous scientific panels. (skepticism about the IPCC's findings and the IPCC itself was represented even better in editorial pages). On television during 1995-2004, more than two-thirds of the news reports "balanced" the opposing views as if they had equal support in the scientific community. The denying scientists quoted in reports frequently had financial ties to corporate lobbying groups, a fact the reporters often failed to mention. The veteran American environmental journalist Ross Gelbspan bitterly accused his colleagues of being duped, bought out, or intimidated by fossil-fuel interests.(136a*)




    If so, it was largely an American phenomenon. In most other industrialized nations, oil companies and their right-wing allies had less policy influence. And it was mainly in the United States that they worked hard to push their view of climate change upon the media. The deniers' views, however, were increasingly echoed in other English-speaking countries from Canada to Australia. Journalists elsewhere rarely quoted deniers, and for much of the world climate change never became an intensely polarized political issue.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have all sorts of laws and regulations that impose threat of prison. But you can buy your way out of this? Nah, not buyin' the hype Joe.
    I gave you this before, balance as bias:

    hascontributedin significantwaystothisfaileddiscursivetranslation throughtheadherencetojournalisticnorms,andmore specifically to the journalistic norm of balance.16 In the end, adherence to the norm of balanced reporting leads toinformationallybiasedcoverageofglobalwarming. This bias, hidden behind the veil of journalistic balance, createsbothdiscursiveandrealpoliticalspaceforthe USgovernmenttoshirkresponsibilityanddelayaction regarding global warming.

    http://www.eci.ox.ac.uk/publications...koff04-gec.pdf

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Except that every time it's happened before, we've been able to identify what caused it. This time, however, there's none of those other factors involved...but there IS a new factor that was never involved before: people pumping literally billions and billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere...every freaking year.

    Guy, you do know that every gallon of gasoline burned results in 20 lbs. of CO2 into the atmosphere, right? Look it up - it's simple chemistry. There's a half billion cars operating today, and I think we can safely say each one uses at least a tank per week. So if I'm REALLY kind and say that each car uses only 10 gallons of gas per week, that's 10 times 500M times 20 lbs. of CO2...

    ...every single week. And that's not counting factories or ships or aircraft or trains or military vehicles or trucks.

    What's amazing is that your side has convinced itself that we can pump billions and billions of tons of CO2 into our atmosphere (and deforest tens of thousands of square miles of CO2-absorbing forest) each and every year, but nothing would change in our atmosphere. You can only crap in your own crib for so long before it starts to really stink, guy - and the earth is the crib of humanity.
    Since CO2 is a reversible chemical process, the other side of the equation is also true.
    A gallon of gas weighs about 6 lbs, and produces 20 lbs of CO2, so each pound of plant material grown sequesters about 3 lbs of CO2.
    Does the timber industry get their carbon credit?

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Since CO2 is a reversible chemical process, the other side of the equation is also true.
    A gallon of gas weighs about 6 lbs, and produces 20 lbs of CO2, so each pound of plant material grown sequesters about 3 lbs of CO2.
    Does the timber industry get their carbon credit?
    Problem is, guy, that in past eons, the world had much more green plant mass - especially forests - with which to absorb the CO2. For example, most of the eastern half of America was essentially one big forest. Almost every time that you see a farm, you are looking at a place that is absorbing less CO2 than it once did - and how many farms are there in this world? In other words, the world can absorb less CO2 than before, but we're pumping billions of tons of CO2 into the air from a source the world never had to deal with.

    You can't claim "reversible chemical process" because the absorbing factor (trees, ocean, green plant mass) is now significantly less than it was before, and is less than the combination of the world's natural producers of CO2 +plus+ the billions of tons we're adding each year. It's the same as in any process - if more is added than can be removed, then the amount of what's added will only go up.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, scientist by and large don't have political agendas. And it is scientists who push the science.
    That may be the way it USED TO BE Boo Boo...but these guys are fighting for the almighty research dollar, which by the way, seem to flow from the liberal side of the agenda much more freely than from the conservative side. So under that scenario, what side of the agenda do you believe these alarmist scientists are supporting? Al Gore or George Bush?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's hopeless dealing with zealots.
    Frustrating maybe, but it is kind of fun to make them look like the mislead zealots they obviously are.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    BS. It's about funding, which there isn't any if everything is just fine.

    These "scientists" claim the Antarctic ice caps are melting. It's -70 degrees there. What "science" says ice melts when it's 100 degrees below freezing?

    These guys want money for research. Nothing more.
    And they lie through their teeth to anyone (read that liberal politicians like algore) who will give it to them. Paid for telling damn lies.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Odd you can money for, but not when companies pay for against verdicts. However, you're premised, flawed as it is, assumes there would be nothing else for them to do, nothing else to investigate, nothing else to tackle. This is hardly the case.
    How about slowing down Boo and trying to make a little sense for a change? Not only is your support for this hoax wrong, your posting is not even intelligible.
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