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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It is money and politics that allow scientists to push the science. If the current state of the science were stable, there wouldn't be any meaningful disagreement. In fact a majority of the U.S. population agrees with the deniers.
    Yes, and deniers get money as well. But governments do want this to be true. Find a totalitarian government that is working to ease GW. Again, you guys seem like you'd be much happier in China.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Every single major national scientific organization of note in the world tells them of how climate change is already affecting the world and how much more it will affect the world...and what do the conservatives worry about? Taxes.

    "Hundreds of billions for defense, but not one penny to address the worldwide danger the scientific community is warning us about".
    BS. It's about funding, which there isn't any if everything is just fine.

    These "scientists" claim the Antarctic ice caps are melting. It's -70 degrees there. What "science" says ice melts when it's 100 degrees below freezing?

    These guys want money for research. Nothing more.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    BS. It's about funding, which there isn't any if everything is just fine.

    These "scientists" claim the Antarctic ice caps are melting. It's -70 degrees there. What "science" says ice melts when it's 100 degrees below freezing?

    These guys want money for research. Nothing more.
    Odd you can money for, but not when companies pay for against verdicts. However, you're premised, flawed as it is, assumes there would be nothing else for them to do, nothing else to investigate, nothing else to tackle. This is hardly the case.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    Odd you can money for, but not when companies pay for against verdicts. However, you're premised, flawed as it is, assumes there would be nothing else for them to do, nothing else to investigate, nothing else to tackle. This is hardly the case.
    Wrong. If their task is saving us from extinction, the funding becomes unlimited.

    It's just amazes me how people are falling for this bunk.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Wrong. If their task is saving us from extinction, the funding becomes unlimited.

    It's just amazes me how people are falling for this bunk.
    No, there would always be something. But let's follow your logic. We can't trust science. What then? We can only trust those who don't know anything about it? Well, then don't go to a doctor. Money's involved, so see aunt Sarah. She's never been to med school, but so what? This is your logic at work.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    If AGW were such a dire threat to the planet, then why allow polluters to continue if they just pay more? Is that science? Or wealth redistribution?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    BS. It's about funding, which there isn't any if everything is just fine.

    These "scientists" claim the Antarctic ice caps are melting. It's -70 degrees there. What "science" says ice melts when it's 100 degrees below freezing?

    These guys want money for research. Nothing more.
    Um, do you know what surrounds the Antarctic land ice sheet? Seawater, right? Right.

    Now this might be real tough to get your mind around, but do you know why that seawater is not frozen? BECAUSE IT'S TOO FREAKING WARM TO FREEZE. And what's happening? That water which has been warming for the past few decades - even if only a little bit - is now warm enough to start melting the Antarctic land ice. That's precisely what's happening, and it's apparently unstoppable.

    Will the rising seawater level swamp North Texas where you're at? Of course not. But say goodbye to a lot of the current Texas coastline within the next century. Oh, I know, you don't worry about it because you won't be here to see it...but your grandkids will.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If AGW were such a dire threat to the planet, then why allow polluters to continue if they just pay more? Is that science? Or wealth redistribution?
    Because we don't have a dictatorship, government is not responsive to science, only to voters and money.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because we don't have a dictatorship, government is not responsive to science, only to voters and money.
    We have all sorts of laws and regulations that impose threat of prison. But you can buy your way out of this? Nah, not buyin' the hype Joe.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, do you know what surrounds the Antarctic land ice sheet? Seawater, right? Right.

    Now this might be real tough to get your mind around, but do you know why that seawater is not frozen? BECAUSE IT'S TOO FREAKING WARM TO FREEZE. And what's happening? That water which has been warming for the past few decades - even if only a little bit - is now warm enough to start melting the Antarctic land ice. That's precisely what's happening, and it's apparently unstoppable.

    Will the rising seawater level swamp North Texas where you're at? Of course not. But say goodbye to a lot of the current Texas coastline within the next century. Oh, I know, you don't worry about it because you won't be here to see it...but your grandkids will.
    Interesting, except for the part that it's not due to AGW whatsoever. It's happened countless times before, and will reverse in time again. Of course you won't be here for an "I told you so."

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