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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    No, I just gave you a study on the melting ice. Measurable and verifiable.
    Explain the antarctic then.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Whoa... you just provided a chart from 2007 on radiative forcings in an attempt to debunk a study on glacial ice melt published in 2013 and attributed my "meme" to WUWT when clearly my link was to Mother Jones.

    The amount of fail in your response is amazing.
    Not as bad as your fail- trying to use a 19th century phenomenon to explain 21stcentury warming!

    I guess you must be on a different 'soot' meme than I've heard before, one that is a magnitude nuttier.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Explain the antarctic then.
    I did that earlier in this thread. The claim of growing ice looks at it superficially, and ignores that those scientist noting the growth show that across the entire area the ice is thinning, thus looking as if growing from a distance, but on closer examination actually losing mass. That's why it's important to read everything.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Not as bad as your fail- trying to use a 19th century phenomenon to explain 21stcentury warming!
    Hah, oh man, are you claiming soot is a "19th century phenomenon"? Bedrock or bust with you today, eh? Do you think humans produce more or less soot today than in the 19th Century

    Because, yeah...

    0115-soot-china.jpg

    Hello from Modern China.

    204117y2ivlla3z44vy5lj.jpg

    Where the soot cloud is large enough to see from space and made fresh daily!

    I guess you must be on a different 'soot' meme than I've heard before, one that is a magnitude nuttier.
    You don't really pay attention to the world around you very well...

    You can do a Google image search of glaciers at your leisure, but you will find one common theme, most are covered with a layer of black soot. For instance, in Kashmir:

    img_2432.jpg

    In the Alps:

    0903_glacier_alps_full_380.jpg

    In the Arctic

    05102011_Arctic-2_300.jpg

    And so on. It figures that a AGW die hard would try to downplay real pollution...
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I did that earlier in this thread. The claim of growing ice looks at it superficially, and ignores that those scientist noting the growth show that across the entire area the ice is thinning, thus looking as if growing from a distance, but on closer examination actually losing mass. That's why it's important to read everything.
    So the ice is melting from the inside while the outside remains the same? Or are the scientists unable to tell how high the ice is from a distance? There is a lot of wild guessing going on here.

    If they can't get this right it's unlikely that they can predicate any climate change whatsoever with any certainty.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Addendum to help Threegoofs figure out my soot question above:

    Hint: The world population in 1850 was less than the population of China today.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So the ice is melting from the inside while the outside remains the same? Or are the scientists unable to tell how high the ice is from a distance? There is a lot of wild guessing going on here.

    If they can't get this right it's unlikely that they can predicate any climate change whatsoever with any certainty.

    No wild guessing. I linked them measuring the ice. You guys jump around a lot and then forget already covered material. Again, the science is their and accepted near universally.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah, oh man, are you claiming soot is a "19th century phenomenon"? Bedrock or bust with you today, eh? Do you think humans produce more or less soot today than in the 19th Century

    Because, yeah...

    0115-soot-china.jpg

    Hello from Modern China.

    204117y2ivlla3z44vy5lj.jpg

    Where the soot cloud is large enough to see from space and made fresh daily!



    You don't really pay attention to the world around you very well...

    You can do a Google image search of glaciers at your leisure, but you will find one common theme, most are covered with a layer of black soot. For instance, in Kashmir:

    img_2432.jpg

    In the Alps:

    0903_glacier_alps_full_380.jpg

    In the Arctic

    05102011_Arctic-2_300.jpg

    And so on. It figures that a AGW die hard would try to downplay real pollution...
    So you provide an article on19th century glaciers, and you say its relevant because you post 21 st century photos of smog.

    You might want to look at the chart I posted a again...
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    New White House report: Climate change is here and action needed now - CNN.com

    Did you hear that? That was your taxes about to skyrocket.
    Every single major national scientific organization of note in the world tells them of how climate change is already affecting the world and how much more it will affect the world...and what do the conservatives worry about? Taxes.

    "Hundreds of billions for defense, but not one penny to address the worldwide danger the scientific community is warning us about".
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Every single major national scientific organization of note in the world tells them of how climate change is already affecting the world and how much more it will affect the world...and what do the conservatives worry about? Taxes.

    "Hundreds of billions for defense, but not one penny to address the worldwide danger the scientific community is warning us about".
    Reducing taxes fixes everything. Ends global warming, cures cancer, and stops inner city violence. its the wonder fix for the ages.

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