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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    He didn't say it was him, rather that faction of people within NASA that subscribe to his "sky is falling" alarmism.
    You guys projecting isn't evidence. NASA and scientist actually measuring is.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Hah. Another guy who points to soot!

    Where does this weird meme come from? WUWT?

    Whoa... you just provided a chart from 2007 on radiative forcings in an attempt to debunk a study on glacial ice melt published in 2013 and attributed my "meme" to WUWT when clearly my link was to Mother Jones.

    The amount of fail in your response is amazing.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    More than "just him" surely, but that isn't actually the question. Your statement is true whether there is only 1 other scientist or 20,000 who agree. In other words it is worthless.

    The truth is that all the dubious "97%" studies didn't even bother to ask the crucial question of severity of AGW, so there is little support for a claim of a majority of scientists who support the doomsday scenarios that drive the AGW movement.



    Melting ice is a result of warming and other causes, not a proof of the cause of the warming. The real anthropogenic contributor to global ice melt is soot, not CO2. The problem for the AGW crowd is that that means they would have to leave the US alone and go pester China and the third world to clean up their act and that doesn't have the same warm glow of redistribution that they seem to love.
    Even without the 97% number! there is amble evidence of an overwhelming majority. So, your "1" number you can throw out. If you read back in thread, the ice melting was question. This evidence from NASA addressed that. Still, NASA and nearly every scientific organization on earth support man's contribution to Global Warming and that there will be significant consequences.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    For me the opposite is true. NASA is part of government and I view everything the government says as political and true or false only insofar as it fits with the politics. Personally, I don't believe anything the government says.
    The government has no reason to push for this, paranoid conspiracies aside. But, you find the same view well outside of government.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Even without the 97% number! there is amble evidence of an overwhelming majority. So, your "1" number you can throw out. If you read back in thread, the ice melting was question. This evidence from NASA addressed that. Still, NASA and nearly every scientific organization on earth support man's contribution to Global Warming and that there will be significant consequences.
    When?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Even without the 97% number! there is amble evidence of an overwhelming majority.
    Then provide it. It shouldn't be hard for you to find.

    So, your "1" number you can throw out. If you read back in thread, the ice melting was question. This evidence from NASA addressed that. Still, NASA and nearly every scientific organization on earth support man's contribution to Global Warming and that there will be significant consequences.
    Ah, so you will now claim that the management of scientific organizations speak for all scientists. Please provide the polling data collected by these organizations from their members that shows the majority of their members endorse their claims.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When?
    When the consequences? We're seeing some now, aren't we?

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When the consequences? We're seeing some now, aren't we?
    In terms of what? Regulation and control?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Then provide it. It shouldn't be hard for you to find.



    Ah, so you will now claim that the management of scientific organizations speak for all scientists. Please provide the polling data collected by these organizations from their members that shows the majority of their members endorse their claims.
    I've provided it often over the years. So, no it's not hard. And no, I don't claim management, but the scientists of those organizations. Seems to me you're playing games.
    Scientific societies and scientists have released statements and studies showing the growing consensus on climate change science. A common objection to taking action to reduce our heat-trapping emissions has been uncertainty within the scientific community on whether or not global warming is happening and if it is caused by humans. However, there is now an overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is indeed happening and humans are contributing to it. Below are links to documents and statements attesting to this consensus

    Scientific Consensus on Global Warming | Union of Concerned Scientists


    To summarize: Based on our research, there is very little dispute in the scientific community, especially among climate specialists, on whether climate change is primarily caused by natural or man-made forces. The overwhelming majority of scientists polled feel that human activity is the primary driver of climate change. Also, based on scientific studies by the IPCC and others, global warming over the past 50 years has been primarily driven by human activity.

    Do scientists disagree about global warming? | PolitiFact

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In terms of what? Regulation and control?
    No, I just gave you a study on the melting ice. Measurable and verifiable.

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