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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you are trying to say that because NASA says so, that is the end of discussion. That is textbook appeal to authority. Look it up.
    Im saying they represent proper authority, as does the overwhelming scientific community. In the real world, there is no real debate.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and by pointing to NASA as if there are no other authorities out there, along with you dismissing any that counter their conclusions IS an appeal to authority. Whether you like it or not. Like many you are trying to say the debate is over when it is clearly not.

    So, why do you have to resort to fallacy Joe?
    Not what I did. I've given countless sources over the years. Even in the NASA others are mentioned. You ignore everything ever presented in order to pretend there is only one source. You actually others of what you are guilty of, cherry picking outliers and pretending they are mainstream. So, once again, there's no fallacy in what I have presented. I've present actual authorities, and over time more than sufficient number.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If you want to use that argument then you shouldn't be listening to the likes of Michael Mann on matters of statistical modeling, you should be listening to statisticians.
    Doesn't matter, he is but one voice. Hardly the linchpin to the argument. Hardly the inky argument. Again, overwhelming scientific community has accepted human contribution to Global Warming.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    Doesn't matter, he is but one voice. Hardly the linchpin to the argument. Hardly the inky argument. Again, overwhelming scientific community has accepted human contribution to Global Warming.
    I accept human contribution to global warming as well, so do that vast majority of skeptics, so? It is the Mann faction of AGW that pushes the increasingly unlikely catastrophic scenario that drives the politics, and it is that catastrophic narrative that we skeptics have always questioned.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I accept human contribution to global warming as well, so do that vast majority of skeptics, so? It is the Mann faction of AGW that pushes the increasingly unlikely catastrophic scenario that drives the politics, and it is that catastrophic narrative that we skeptics have always questioned.
    Again, even the consequences have more support that just him. It wasn't him noted in the article actually out measuring the ice.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, even the consequences have more support that just him. It wasn't him noted in the article actually out measuring the ice.
    He didn't say it was him, rather that faction of people within NASA that subscribe to his "sky is falling" alarmism.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, even the consequences have more support that just him.
    More than "just him" surely, but that isn't actually the question. Your statement is true whether there is only 1 other scientist or 20,000 who agree. In other words it is worthless.

    The truth is that all the dubious "97%" studies didn't even bother to ask the crucial question of severity of AGW, so there is little support for a claim of a majority of scientists who support the doomsday scenarios that drive the AGW movement.

    It wasn't him noted in the article actually out measuring the ice.
    Melting ice is a result of warming and other causes, not a proof of the cause of the warming. The real anthropogenic contributor to global ice melt is soot, not CO2. The problem for the AGW crowd is that that means they would have to leave the US alone and go pester China and the third world to clean up their act and that doesn't have the same warm glow of redistribution that they seem to love.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Im saying they represent proper authority, as does the overwhelming scientific community. In the real world, there is no real debate.

    For me the opposite is true. NASA is part of government and I view everything the government says as political and true or false only insofar as it fits with the politics. Personally, I don't believe anything the government says.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    More than "just him" surely, but that isn't actually the question. Your statement is true whether there is only 1 other scientist or 20,000 who agree. In other words it is worthless.

    The truth is that all the dubious "97%" studies didn't even bother to ask the crucial question of severity of AGW, so there is little support for a claim of a majority of scientists who support the doomsday scenarios that drive the AGW movement.



    Melting ice is a result of warming and other causes, not a proof of the cause of the warming. The real anthropogenic contributor to global ice melt is soot, not CO2. The problem for the AGW crowd is that that means they would have to leave the US alone and go pester China and the third world to clean up their act and that doesn't have the same warm glow of redistribution that they seem to love.
    Hah. Another guy who points to soot!

    Where does this weird meme come from? WUWT?

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    He didn't say it was him, rather that faction of people within NASA that subscribe to his "sky is falling" alarmism.
    Apparently it takes some courage to dare speak up against the warm mongers. Bengtsson Burners :: SteynOnline

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