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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Alright, I'll concede for the sake of not having a never ending argument. I will ask this and leave it be. Regardless of if you believe in global climate change, surely you can agree that pumping thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere/oceans/ground is not a good thing? Perhaps we should figure out ways to "Conserve" our planet?
    So long as you agree that CO/2 isn't a pollutant.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    More logical fallacy.
    Oh please. You're right. A truck driver knows more about science than any scientist. He'll, I'm doing brain surgery tomorrow without even sleeping in a Holiday Inn. After all you don't need to know anything, that'd be appealing to authority (lord I wish people knew the fallacy before they called things a fallacy).

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And remember Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy.
    Going to try one more time to help you.

    An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

    Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
    Person A makes claim C about subject S.
    Therefore, C is true.
    This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject. More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.

    This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert. In such cases the reasoning is flawed because the fact that an unqualified person makes a claim does not provide any justification for the claim. The claim could be true, but the fact that an unqualified person made the claim does not provide any rational reason to accept the claim as true.

    Fallacy: Appeal to Authority

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's easy. You seem to support what they do. No environmental regulations to speak of. No worker safety or pay issues. Isn't this what you want?
    You're a liar, because you purposely changed what I clearly said. Trolling is what you're all about here, because you don't have a principle or argument to stand on.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Oh please. You're right. A truck driver knows more about science than any scientist. He'll, I'm doing brain surgery tomorrow without even sleeping in a Holiday Inn. After all you don't need to know anything, that'd be appealing to authority (lord I wish people knew the fallacy before they called things a fallacy).
    No, you are trying to say that because NASA says so, that is the end of discussion. That is textbook appeal to authority. Look it up.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Going to try one more time to help you.

    An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

    Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
    Person A makes claim C about subject S.
    Therefore, C is true.
    This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject. More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.

    This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert. In such cases the reasoning is flawed because the fact that an unqualified person makes a claim does not provide any justification for the claim. The claim could be true, but the fact that an unqualified person made the claim does not provide any rational reason to accept the claim as true.

    Fallacy: Appeal to Authority
    Yes, and by pointing to NASA as if there are no other authorities out there, along with you dismissing any that counter their conclusions IS an appeal to authority. Whether you like it or not. Like many you are trying to say the debate is over when it is clearly not.

    So, why do you have to resort to fallacy Joe?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Oh please. You're right. A truck driver knows more about science than any scientist. He'll, I'm doing brain surgery tomorrow without even sleeping in a Holiday Inn. After all you don't need to know anything, that'd be appealing to authority (lord I wish people knew the fallacy before they called things a fallacy).
    If you want to use that argument then you shouldn't be listening to the likes of Michael Mann on matters of statistical modeling, you should be listening to statisticians.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and by pointing to NASA as if there are no other authorities out there, along with you dismissing any that counter their conclusions IS an appeal to authority. Whether you like it or not. Like many you are trying to say the debate is over when it is clearly not.

    So, why do you have to resort to fallacy Joe?

    At the core of every true believer's understanding of climate science is a tangle of interdependent logical fallacies.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    At the core of every true believer's understanding of climate science is a tangle of interdependent logical fallacies.
    I've known Joe on the boards for over 13 years now. Frankly, I am disappointed at the trend he has embraced in the past few years. He used to be better, though I'm also sure he'd say the same of me.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're a liar, because you purposely changed what I clearly said. Trolling is what you're all about here, because you don't have a principle or argument to stand on.
    Nope. The environmental regulations are tied to GW. You don't have to worry about that or the other things I mentioned in China.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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