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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    Que the poor polar bear stranded on an iceberg...If you put coke in his hand I may she'd a tear.
    Yet another conservative who cares nothing for conservation, nor realizes the overall planetary implications that no ice shelf brings with it.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    Just sharing. And remember, NASA is the source:

    Ice sheet in Antarctica has melted past ‘point of no return,’ NASA says

    THOMAS WAGNER: Pretty confident, in that — and one thing you have to understand is this release today — and there were actually two studies that came out — this idea has been talked about since the 1970s.

    And the whole scientific community has been working on this for a long time, not just these studies with satellites, but ships that have gone to the area and actually measured the water temperatures have actually even gone out and made a hole along with the National Science Foundation in one of the ice shelves.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: So, you said you found out that certain things have happened and they are happening at a faster rate. Give us sort of a tangible example about it. Help us understand what exactly is going on there.

    THOMAS WAGNER: Sure.

    If you went to Antarctica and pulled the ice off, in the region of West Antarctica that we just looked at, you actually wouldn’t see land under there. What you would see is ocean and a few islands popped up. And that’s what makes this ice so at risk for rapid loss.

    But the ice so thick that it displaces all the water and kind of sits down on the bedrock. But what’s happened is that it’s retreated away from its coastal area. And as it retreats and thins, it is supposed to float on that water, and that allows it to speed up and flow more rapidly into the ocean.

    Antarctic ice sheet past
    NASA on this has been politicized. And remember Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    Yet another conservative who cares nothing for conservation, nor realizes the overall planetary implications that no ice shelf brings with it.
    Oh please spare me. Political agenda doesn't equal conservation.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    NASA on this has been politicized. And remember Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy.
    Yes, everyone who doesn't fit your narrative is corrupt. Odd, they were saying the same things under Bush. They're doing the science, doing the actual observation. But those sitting at their computer screens no more. Color me shocked.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    NASA on this has been politicized. And remember Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy.
    Except when the authorities are....well, authorities on a very complex and technical subject.

    If you don't use authorities in this argument, by definition, you are appealing to ignorance.

    And virtually EVERY authority agrees that AGW is real and will be a big problem.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, everyone who doesn't fit your narrative is corrupt. Odd, they were saying the same things under Bush. They're doing the science, doing the actual observation. But those sitting at their computer screens no more. Color me shocked.
    More logical fallacy.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please spare me. Political agenda doesn't equal conservation.
    political agenda? are you serious? regardless of any political agenda you speak of, it is still happening. Just because a bunch of politicians are trying to make money off of it, doesn't make it any less true. Conservatives can deny it all they want, they can call it an agenda, they can call it whatever the hell they like... It doesn't change the fact one bit that if we continue polluting at this rate we will be damning our future generations to an enormous crisis.

    Why do conservatives only think about money? They ****-bricks when they think about their children and the National Debt, but they don't give a damn (actually are hostile) to the idea that the pollution we spew into the atmosphere at an alarming rate ACTUALLY has an effect on what happens. It blows my ****ing mind.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    political agenda? are you serious? regardless of any political agenda you speak of, it is still happening. Just because a bunch of politicians are trying to make money off of it, doesn't make it any less true. Conservatives can deny it all they want, they can call it an agenda, they can call it whatever the hell they like... It doesn't change the fact one bit that if we continue polluting at this rate we will be damning our future generations to an enormous crisis.

    Why do conservatives only think about money? They ****-bricks when they think about their children and the National Debt, but they don't give a damn (actually are hostile) to the idea that the pollution we spew into the atmosphere at an alarming rate ACTUALLY has an effect on what happens. It blows my ****ing mind.
    All you have is political agenda. None of what you hyperventilating about is fact, just alarmist pablum.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    All you have is political agenda. None of what you hyperventilating about is fact, just alarmist pablum.
    Alright, I'll concede for the sake of not having a never ending argument. I will ask this and leave it be. Regardless of if you believe in global climate change, surely you can agree that pumping thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere/oceans/ground is not a good thing? Perhaps we should figure out ways to "Conserve" our planet?
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Alright, I'll concede for the sake of not having a never ending argument. I will ask this and leave it be. Regardless of if you believe in global climate change, surely you can agree that pumping thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere/oceans/ground is not a good thing? Perhaps we should figure out ways to "Conserve" our planet?
    When they are tested and can replace the output of current and future energy demands then sure I am an "all the above" Kind of guy. But they have to be proven and reliable.

    Til that point we are stuck with petroleum based energy.

    Also I think we have done remarkable things with our environment from when I was a kid. It's never been cleaner in my lifetime. Hell, I drive a semi that boasts to put out cleaner air than it takes in.

    But all that is for naught if the rest of the world doesn't do the same. It's not as if emissions stay only over the country that produces them.
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