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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    I don't need to make excuses, the stakes are too damn high to be at the kind of disadvantage the extremists want. It's too costly to let China get away cheap while we lose $billions and spend $billions more on compliance. Get them onboard, then come talk to me. We can maintain the status quo, and that's all.
    Well, we could become China, if that's your ideal form of government. However, your claim was environmentalist don't try to change China. You were wrong.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    Well, we could become China, if that's your ideal form of government. However, your claim was environmentalist don't try to change China. You were wrong.
    While China has made gains on some other airborne toxins, the PM 2.5 data is far from reassuring in a country that annually has hundreds of thousands of premature deaths related to air pollution. In an unreleased December report relying on government data, the World Bank said average annual PM 2.5 concentrations in northern Chinese cities exceeded American limits by five to six times as much, and two to four times as much in southern Chinese cities.
    Let me know when they catch up, then we'll continue our improvements.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    Let me know when they catch up, then we'll continue our improvements.
    Them catching up is not the same as environmentalists not targeting them. Again, you're trying to move the goals posts. Btw, should we do everything China does? As I asked earlier, is China your ideal form one government?

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    Them catching up is not the same as environmentalists not targeting them. Again, you're trying to move the goals posts. Btw, should we do everything China does? As I asked earlier, is China your ideal form one government?
    You're the liberal, and you ask me a question like that. China is leftwing.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    You're the liberal, and you ask me a question like that. China is leftwing.
    Dodging again. The question stands.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    Dodging again. The question stands.
    I think you know me better than that, and you need to show the relevance of your question.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think you know me better than that, and you need to show the relevance of your question.
    It's easy. You seem to support what they do. No environmental regulations to speak of. No worker safety or pay issues. Isn't this what you want?

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Didn't you use the quote, "While this increase in ice volume is welcome news, it does not indicate a reversal in the long-term trend." Ergo, this change is clearly taking place but you are going on past averages to support a very questionable theory. The past should not figure in to the present when it comes to 'change'.

    There has been no global warming for over 17 years now and that, to some, is welcome news. To others its a disappointment.
    There have been years in the past where they have gained ice coverage as well, but the years following that they lost more than they gained. The net ice coverage over the last 30 years has been reduced. One year of growth means nothing as there have been other years of growth.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    There have been years in the past where they have gained ice coverage as well, but the years following that they lost more than they gained. The net ice coverage over the last 30 years has been reduced. One year of growth means nothing as there have been other years of growth.
    Que the poor polar bear stranded on an iceberg...If you put coke in his hand I may she'd a tear.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Que the poor polar bear stranded on an iceberg...If you put coke in his hand I may she'd a tear.
    Just sharing. And remember, NASA is the source:

    Ice sheet in Antarctica has melted past ‘point of no return,’ NASA says

    THOMAS WAGNER: Pretty confident, in that — and one thing you have to understand is this release today — and there were actually two studies that came out — this idea has been talked about since the 1970s.

    And the whole scientific community has been working on this for a long time, not just these studies with satellites, but ships that have gone to the area and actually measured the water temperatures have actually even gone out and made a hole along with the National Science Foundation in one of the ice shelves.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: So, you said you found out that certain things have happened and they are happening at a faster rate. Give us sort of a tangible example about it. Help us understand what exactly is going on there.

    THOMAS WAGNER: Sure.

    If you went to Antarctica and pulled the ice off, in the region of West Antarctica that we just looked at, you actually wouldn’t see land under there. What you would see is ocean and a few islands popped up. And that’s what makes this ice so at risk for rapid loss.

    But the ice so thick that it displaces all the water and kind of sits down on the bedrock. But what’s happened is that it’s retreated away from its coastal area. And as it retreats and thins, it is supposed to float on that water, and that allows it to speed up and flow more rapidly into the ocean.

    Antarctic ice sheet past

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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