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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    Yeah well Here in Wisconsin it was 100+ degrees for a week straight .. we had our hottest summer on record.

    I think I will trust NASA's satellites over whatever source you got your information from.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Yeah well Here in Wisconsin it was 100+ degrees for a week straight .. we had our hottest summer on record.

    I think I will trust NASA's satellites over whatever source you got your information from.

    Arctic Sea Ice Minimum in 2013 is Sixth Lowest on Record | NASA
    There in Wisconsin you had your hottest summer on record in 1936.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    No, that's your fantasy, don't lay that on him. He never suggested any such thing.
    then what is he suggesting? He brought up China and them not complying. I'm open to any point actually being made.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    then what is he suggesting? He brought up China and them not complying. I'm open to any point actually being made.
    I want to see real pressure brought to bear on China by environmentalists publically. I'm sick of the double standard with China. They and India are given a pass while US companies are pummeled on a regular basis. China is a cesspool compared to us, and if environmentalists really believe in their cause they'll attack the hard targets like China, and not just the easy ones.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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    I want to see real pressure brought to bear on China by environmentalists publically. I'm sick of the double standard with China. They and India are given a pass while US companies are pummeled on a regular basis. China is a cesspool compared to us, and if environmentalists really believe in their cause they'll attack the hard targets like China, and not just the easy ones.
    It's always the leftist "Blame America First" crowd who comes up with this stuff and it's a mystery why any well informed person should ever take them seriously.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

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    There in Wisconsin you had your hottest summer on record in 1936.
    And cold winters also. Is This The Worst Winter Ever? Here

    Perhaps this hot in summer and cold in winter experiences we are having is part of a climatological trend.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I want to see real pressure brought to bear on China by environmentalists publically. I'm sick of the double standard with China. They and India are given a pass while US companies are pummeled on a regular basis. China is a cesspool compared to us, and if environmentalists really believe in their cause they'll attack the hard targets like China, and not just the easy ones.
    As they are pressuring China: Activists Crack China’s Wall of Denial About Air Pollution

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    and any search would show a lot of this. So, isn't this just dodging the issue on your sides part (which is what I was getting at)? There's not much that can be done.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think you're being more than a little disingenuous here....BTW, so is NASA.....

    "Since reaching its annual maximum extent on March 21, Arctic sea ice extent has declined somewhat unevenly, but has consistently been well below its average 1981 to 2010 extent. While the rate of Arctic-wide retreat was rapid through the first half of April, it has subsequently slowed down. However, ice breakup was quite early in the Bering Sea, presenting difficulties for gold dredging operations and seal hunters in the region. In the Antarctic, sea ice continued to reach record high extents."

    Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

    So the rate of melt was higher in early April, and slowed down, because the temp according to your own article says:

    "This year, Arctic temperatures were 1.8 to 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (1 to 2.5 degrees Celsius) lower than average, according to NASA's Modern Era Retrospective analysis for Research and Applications, a merging of observations and a modeled forecast. The colder temperatures were in part due to a series of summer cyclones. In August 2012, a big storm caused havoc on the Arctic Ocean’s icy cover, but this summer’s cyclones have had the opposite effect: under cloudier conditions, surface winds spread the ice over a larger area."

    So, NASA is using a "model" and changing what actually happened which is an expansion, not a decrease as they would mislead you to believe...And AGW zealots buy right into it without question....

    Sure your point makes sense if you only read the first few paragraphs of that article. Did you also read the part where it states the average thickness in 1980 was 3.8 meters and in recent years the average thickness was 1.9 meters?

    The issue is not total coverage, it is ice thickness. If temperatures drop below a certain level ice coverage will increase, however the duration of those temperatures is what determines ice thickness. In recent years you have comparable coverage, however, it melts sooner and more thoroughly due to the decreased thickness of the ice. This poses a problem, mainly because the thinner the ice, the quicker it will melt and therefor causes a landslide effect, so-to-speak.

    The article also states that while recent years there have been colder temperatures, one or two years of increase in coverage does not change the trend of multiple years of decrease.

    What has been steadily happening is a loss of ice coverage for many years followed by a few years of cold temperatures then a return to steady loss of ice coverage. So your explanation of 1.8 - 4.5 degrees colder has no bearing, it was only for a year or so and does not change the steady trend that has been happening.


    From the article (at the bottom)

    "Most of the Arctic Ocean used to be covered by multiyear ice, or ice that has survived at least two summers and is typically 10 to 13 feet (3 to 4 meters) thick. This older ice has declined at an even faster rate than younger ice and is now largely relegated to a strip along the northern coast of Greenland. The rest of the Arctic Ocean is dominated by first year ice, or ice that formed over the previous winter and is only 3 to 7 feet (1 to 2 meters) thick."
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    There in Wisconsin you had your hottest summer on record in 1936.
    never before have we had so many days above 100 degrees in a row, nor consecutive days above 95 degrees.
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    There in Wisconsin you had your hottest summer on record in 1936.
    and sorry 2013 was only a little hotter than average. 2012 was the hot one.
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