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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only if you ignore the experts, the evidence, and the science.
    OR, if we think for ourselves and use some common sense. You people believe these money hungry scientists the way people believed the priests in the Dark Ages.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Actually, it's very relevant to both. You don't go around telling the truth about CIA stuff, and you don't send in the Marines when it all goes to ****.
    You people will say ANYTHING to cover for The Messiah...lol!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    What? Are you telling me that raising CAFE standards, destroying our energy business, and raising taxes will not change the course of the Earth and Universe??? What kind of insanity is this??? Sir, you are truly a denier!

    No, no, there will be a utopia if we can get these things done, it is just a coincidence that it also increases the size and power of government, takes liberty and freedom from the people, and concentrates power in the hands of liberal politicians.
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    So now we're going to blame Obama for not stopping something that is a hoax anyway? The ODS is strong with this one.
    Please enjoy the cynicism. He just such an easy target .
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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I don't think I would paint all the researchers with that brush.
    Many Assistant Professors, look for grants anywhere they can.
    They teach graduate classes at university, on how to read the RFP,
    and write a proposal that will improve your odds of winning.
    Part of the prep includes looking at the Vita's of the reviewers,
    and writing what you think they want to see.
    If they win the grant, they do the research, and present the results
    in the best light, that will lead to additional grants.
    If the reviewer is part of the IPCC, or is active in Green Peace,
    I think they consider that when writing up the results.
    But the problem sill remains the same - when a scientist offers alternate theories their careers are ruined and they're outcasted from the scientific community. That is probably the biggest problem I have with how the scientific community treats the issue of climate change. The general consensus amongst these alleged scientists is that humans are responsible for climate change - and that is not only total poppycock - it's also a blatant contradiction of geology as a science within itself.

    And yes - many of these radical AGW proponents are former Green Peace members - excommunicated members I might add.

    I don't want to get too off topic here but the history of Green Peace is an extremely interesting story. I don't want to spoil it for you in case you have interest in researching Green Peace, but the founders actually left the organization because it became infested with anti-humanity and communist ilk in which the founders never wanted and anti-human and communism was never a strategy of Green Peace..

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    But the problem sill remains the same - when a scientist offers alternate theories their careers are ruined and they're outcasted from the scientific community. That is probably the biggest problem I have with how the scientific community treats the issue of climate change. The general consensus amongst these alleged scientists is that humans are responsible for climate change - and that is not only total poppycock - it's also a blatant contradiction of geology as a science within itself.
    I agree the end result is the same, and it will be a blemish on Science for several generations.
    I just cannot fault the guys too much, who are just trying to get tenure,
    there are not a lot of grant choices out there.
    Most just want to make a living, and get to where they can do the research they really want to do.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only if you ignore the experts, the evidence, and the science.
    Experts?

    All I see are a bunch of radical activists that hide behind their "degrees" and who are unwilling to even ponder alternate ideas.

    I would call them narrow-minded fools not "experts."

    Real experts wouldn't be intimidated by someone challenging their "science" but the real reason these clowns er "experts" are intimidated is because every intelligent person who understands this science damn well knows these so called "experts" findings are epic bull**** and they have proven that time and time again. That is why these so called "experts" are very defensive and protective of their botched, manipulated and half-assed data.

    Now, if I had a remarkable theory I would love for it to be criticized - then again I don't share the same traits with the scientific community which generally consist of competitiveness, contempt and arrogance.

    Also, Stephen Hawking could come out and say that AGW (man made global warming) is epic bull**** and not one of these so called confident experts would even question him - that goes to show how utterly zombie like these alleged "experts" really are.

    Now some of these "experts" are really good scientists however that doesn't mean they're not greedy, corrupt or are portraying lies to perpetuate their own politics on humanity.

    BTW, the worst thing you can do is just blindly trust someone just because they have credentials that may or may not make them an "expert" on something.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    This says it all.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    You have a far too high opinion of human intelligence.

    We both know that there are many people on this forum who are, for whatever reason, incapable of understanding very basic concepts in physics.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    You have far too low an opinon of people who disagree with you. What some alarmists style as "basic concepts of physics" includes a lot of false assumptions.

    Where climate science is concerned even intelligent people who have never looked at the data or ever seriously examined the methods used to analyse it are in no position to be critical of the opinions regarding the science of those who have.

    Plenty of skeptics are critical of climate science based on faulty knowledge of the science. But the vast majority of people who go along with the alarmist position are in exactly the same position with regard to their knowledge of the science.

    I defy anyone to look at the models used to produce predictions of future climate and then tell us that they are likely to be accurate. They are, in fact, extremely crude.
    I am referring to things like what heat energy is.

    And yes both sides of the debate are carrying around those who say things with enormous confidence whilst obviously knowing virtually nothing.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I agree the end result is the same, and it will be a blemish on Science for several generations.
    I just cannot fault the guys too much, who are just trying to get tenure,
    there are not a lot of grant choices out there.
    Most just want to make a living, and get to where they can do the research they really want to do.
    That is another problem - tenure - is knowingly flubbing data and lying really an ethical way to get tenure..

    Also, as far as I'm concerned tenure is absolute nonsense. In what other jobs do employees get "tenure." It seems to me that when a professor gets tenure he/she just goes bat**** crazy spewing all kinds of nonsense that would have otherwise have gotten him/her fired if they weren't tenured.

    That is always why generally the most controversial college courses are taught by tenured faculty.

    I took a course in anthropology and I can tell you this much - it was one of the most bizarre courses I have ever taken in my life - the professor (tenured) pretty much stood on a soapbox for 90 minutes demonizing everything he could think of. Oh, the clown also gave me a C for contradicting his insane rants with facts and alternative motives and ideas he was demonizing. Quite frankly I felt like I was watching Hitler at the time.

    The guy wasn't teaching anything he was just ranting - I've never seen anyone in my life that hated US culture as much has he did. The guy was seriously off his meds or lost his marbles long ago, however sadly the guy couldn't be fired for his extreme views he tried to pass of as an education.

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    Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    This says it all.

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    So, you're actually going to buy that line? Really?

    The quality of thought in the alarmist community has really gone down hill. I guess they think that if they get really, really, really shrill that people will start paying attention to them. It's exactly the opposite, in fact, that is happening. The more shrill they get with their obviously over the top claims the less their credibility.

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