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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Since when does shaping opinions based on facts given regarding a criminal trial a matter of personal knowledge of the individual?
    That's, uhh, kinda what judges do.

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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    In a bizarre way, I kind of like it. Not that the part about the judge trying to slut shame a 14 year old. That's messed up as hell. But this boy having to see firsthand the kind of pain that his actions cause, maybe that's how you scare someone straight. Perhaps we should be putting boys to work in this way before they hurt anyone?
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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    That's, uhh, kinda what judges do.
    Is rape a matter of opinion or fact?

    Judges are supposed to critically apply the law. That's not the same as people sitting down and forming their own opinion and interpreting events in various ways based on a small number of facts.
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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Is rape a matter of opinion or fact? Judges are supposed to critically apply the law. That's not the same as people sitting down and forming their own opinion and interpreting events in various ways based on a small number of facts.
    Judges are supposed to form opinions and interpret events based on a small number of facts. That is pretty much what being a judge is about. She did not overstep her authority in any fashion. You simply disagree with the exact opinions she formed and how she interpreted events. One point I just thought about is that the defendant plead guilty, but there is no mention that this involved any agreement on sentencing. If that is true then this young man essentially gave the court carte blanche to do with him as they willed. That would be another indicator of sincere remorse and thus cause for imposing a lighter sentence.
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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Judges are supposed to form opinions and interpret events based on a small number of facts. That is pretty much what being a judge is about. She did not overstep her authority in any fashion. You simply disagree with the exact opinions she formed and how she interpreted events. One point I just thought about is that the defendant plead guilty, but there is no mention that this involved any agreement on sentencing. If that is true then this young man essentially gave the court carte blanche to do with him as they willed. That would be another indicator of sincere remorse and thus cause for imposing a lighter sentence.
    Well here's the frustration: when it comes to cases involving minors the public is not privy to all the details of the trial.
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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    I seriously thought this tread was going to be about the MT judge that did this last summer. The state supreme court recently threw out the 30 day sentence this guy originally got.

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    A Montana judge has come under fire after handing down a 30-day sentence to a former high school teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old student and for making statements in court that the victim was "older than her chronological age" and "as much in control of the situation" as her teacher.
    Judge in rape case criticized for light sentence, remarks about victim - Los Angeles Times

    IMO this is worse than what happened in Texas. The guy was a teacher in his late 40's/early 50's when he had sex with a 14yo student, she committed suicide a few years later.

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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Its **** like this why I support mandatory sentencing. This is a slam dunk case, the judge should have thrown the book at him.Not go oh the girl is a hoe so I will give the rapist a slap on the wrist.

    Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous - CNN.com
    Allen further claimed that the victim had agreed to have sex with Young, just not on campus, and "upon making this bad judgment, he admitted that he proceeded over her objections to stop, and he admitted that to the police."
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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its **** like this why I support mandatory sentencing. This is a slam dunk case, the judge should have thrown the book at him.Not go oh the girl is a hoe so I will give the rapist a slap on the wrist.

    Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous - CNN.com
    Allen further claimed that the victim had agreed to have sex with Young, just not on campus, and "upon making this bad judgment, he admitted that he proceeded over her objections to stop, and he admitted that to the police."
    Gee I dunno about this one. I know as I'm sure all of us are that at that age both male and female our hormones are raging and we are NOT in control. Hell, we barely know anything about sex, and what we do know usually comes from peers who are equally ignorant, or the internet which is full of the "wrong kind of sexual message". The kid seemed to admit his guilt, but in the judges opinion there was some culpability on the part of the victim, and why not. This whole narrative about women/girls not being responsible for unwanted advances is a diluted circumstantial argument. There are several ways in which a young lady (even if she says no) can avoid putting themselves in these kinds of situations, and sadly that is not reinforced by parents, and or schools often enough. The youth culture today is very reminiscent of the culture of the 60's. Free love, I can do whatever I want and shame.. What shame, what is shame should I feel it. Girl's that lost their virginity when I was a teenage were shamed, shunned and outcasts. Today, they are even celebrated by our media, and pop-culture. We have no coherent message from the adults in charge as to how we should behave when young adults.

    The judge, judged this one as she saw it. Without knowing the full details of the testimony it seems disingenuous to form a static opinion on the circumstances surrounding this particular event. If the guy was an adult, and the girl a teenager my opinion would be more staunch in favor of harsher penalties, but in this case, although still light on sentencing, I am willing to defer to the people that were in the room.


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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    Promiscuity does not mean rape isn't possible. What a terrible judge. 20 years maybe a little too much considering the circumstances but 45 days? really? 45? The best you can do?!?!?

    The only time I wouldn't sympathize at all with a rape victim is in the case of prostitution.
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    Re: Judge under fire for rape sentence, implying victim was promiscuous

    It is clear that this judge based her opinion on personal bias and how she felt about the girl's character and personal choices. In other wards, she was promiscuous so it wasn't as big of a deal for her to be raped. ..which is of course (to any rational person) absurd.
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