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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The decision not to make a ruling is, in effect, making a ruling to let the lower court's ruling stand. This is the most ridiculous malfunction of our SCOTUS the second most being ruling only on some obscure point of law used in a lower court's decision and thus skirting the basic issue entirely.

    The 2A is a compound right of the people to keep and bear arms. I can see no logic in allowing a state to require a permit to carry (bear) a gun yet not to simply possess (keep) one. That likens the constitutional right of gun use to the state issued privilege of driving; you may only drive your car on public roadways after paying a hefty registration fee and then renting additional permission from the state (acquiring a driver's license) to do so.
    IIRC Texas had a similar law until they made it legal for anyone owning a gun to legally carry it loaded in a vehicle or boat.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

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    The judicial branch of the federal government has every constitutional right to decline to see a case. Congress is trying to force the judicial to do what they are elected to do: Pass laws.
    Right and wrong.

    The SC can pretty much take or reject cases at it's whim.

    However this isn't a case of doing the legislature's job. There is a legitimate Constitutional question here. Eventually another circuit court will rule opposite what the 3rd did in this case and the SC will be forced to rule on the issue.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    IIRC Texas had a similar law until they made it legal for anyone owning a gun to legally carry it loaded in a vehicle or boat.
    It is not legal to open carry a handgun in Texas except on your property, in your car/boat or going to your car (how it legally got away from your car is unclear). It is also not legal in Texas to open carry a handgun even with a CHL (bill pending to change that) in public.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's not about regulating policy. It's about leaving the Constitution alone. Screw the states. The constitution trumps them on the second amendment.
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    What? SCOTUS should come out and just say that Americans can *bear* arms in public, concealed or openly....just like the 2A clearly states when it uses the word 'bear.'
    Does anyone thing it's a good idea to carry a concealed weapon when meeting the president? Or what about on a plane? There are certainly places in which no one thinks it's a good idea to allow even small arms. Once we accept that some forms of small arms regulations are inevitable, then we have to decide who's in the best position to make those decisions.

    If you accept that the government can ban handguns in the vicinity of the president, then the government obviously has the ability to ban handguns. If SCOTUS would have determined that a community can't regulate conceled carry permits, then is any one allowed to regulate it? Where is the line? Why couldn't I then take a handgun on a plane?

    I think local governments are in the best position to determine gun laws. The latest ruling by the SCOTUS would seem to agree.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    IMO if you can pass a background check, you should be able to open-carry except in special cases where the private owner of a property doesn't allow it, or federal/state buildings.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Does anyone thing it's a good idea to carry a concealed weapon when meeting the president? Or what about on a plane?
    Why not? I can't find in the constitution where it says that one has the right to keep and bear arms except for when meeting the president and flying on an airplane.

    I'll bet a few armed citizens on airplanes on September 11, 2001 would have been a great thing.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Right and wrong. The SC can pretty much take or reject cases at it's whim. However this isn't a case of doing the legislature's job. There is a legitimate Constitutional question here. Eventually another circuit court will rule opposite what the 3rd did in this case and the SC will be forced to rule on the issue.
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    I disagree. If the states want autonomy from the federal government, they have to pass better laws that are constitutionally sound. This includes the prohibition of certain individuals from owning guns. Going to SCOTUS because they lack the guts to take unpopular stands, is not an excuse.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I am a gun owner. I have never open carried. Honestly I don't think having to conceal the weapon is an infringement. It doesn't prevent you from owning the weapon.
    My self-defense firearm cant do much for me when I leave home then, can it? Is the only place I need to defend myself at home?
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That makes no sense at all. Constitutional carry should not vary in each town, county or state. What other individual constitutional rights do you feel should be granted only by "may issue" permits and a after paying a non-refundable application fee? Perhaps "have an attorney present during police questioning" permits would bring in some much needed revenue, after all, that right only applies to criminals.
    But what is constitutional carry? That's the point I was trying to get at.

    Can a community require you to take a class or pass a test before giving you a conceal carry licence? Can they charge a fee? When you get down to it, you don't need a permit to do anything that's constitutionally protected. So saying that conceal carry is a constitutional right essentially means that the entire conceal carry permit process is unconstitutional in every jurisdiction. That's a scary thought. Because lets face it, no one thinks that everyone should have a gun.

    Gun enthusiasts may be very pro second amendment, but they're also VERY pro safety. Talk to anyone with a gun and they can spend hours telling you the proper way to load, store, clean, stand, fire, etc.. IMO, everyone has a right to carry the same way that everyone has a right to drive a car. If you do it right, the government should leave you the hell alone. Do it wrong, endanger your neighbors, and yeah... please take that guys gun away.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Does anyone thing it's a good idea to carry a concealed weapon when meeting the president? Or what about on a plane? There are certainly places in which no one thinks it's a good idea to allow even small arms. Once we accept that some forms of small arms regulations are inevitable, then we have to decide who's in the best position to make those decisions.

    If you accept that the government can ban handguns in the vicinity of the president, then the government obviously has the ability to ban handguns. If SCOTUS would have determined that a community can't regulate conceled carry permits, then is any one allowed to regulate it? Where is the line? Why couldn't I then take a handgun on a plane?

    I think local governments are in the best position to determine gun laws. The latest ruling by the SCOTUS would seem to agree.
    There is a vast gap between something not being a good idea and it being declared a felony. If you wish to declare some gun free zones and actually enforce them then that is OK by me - so long as the state (or whoever declared the gun free zone) is 100% liable for anyone shot, raped, robbed or assaulted inside of them. It is insane to expect a sign or a law to stop criminals - that requires actual security and law enforcement personnel.
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