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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is a wonderful way of saying absolutely nothing. This is a matter of treating what many (legitimately?) feel is a constitutional right as a felony - we all know that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Do you also think modest amounts of slavery (they will call it privatization of community service, of course) are OK in local jurisdictions? How about laws that bend the Miranda rights just a tad?
    Inner cities have some of the highest gun violence rates. Are there any gun rights groups handing out handguns in the streets? Is there a gun owner in the country who would lend a firearm to a random passer by? Of course not. That's because no one actually believes that it would be good for everyone to have a gun.

    Gun rights advocates try to make a principled argument, but when it comes down to it; they believe regulation is needed, they just think it's a lot less than what a gun control advocate would want. That is a policy debate. Turning it into a constitutional question means that there is no policy debate; the government cannot restrict arms. Anyone would be free to take a handgun anywhere. How could the FAA ban handguns on planes if a state didn't have the authority to issue CC permits?

    There is a legitimate policy debate about how much regulation is needed; and how much is counter productive. But a wide sweeping free for all is certainly not in anyone’s interest. The language is strange, but the second amendment is written as reason; result. You can't read just half of it. Flip the clauses and it reads better. The right for the people to bear arms shall not be infringed because the state has a need for a well regulated militia.

    None of us want everyone to have a gun. What we really want is for responsible people who know what they're doing to have a gun.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's moronic-well regulated applies to militia not individuals. And your distrust of fellow citizens is really nutty
    And yet that distrust of their fellow citizens is EXACTLY why many 'gun nuts' demand ARs and high cap mags- because they fear an armed biker gang attacking their house...

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's moronic-well regulated applies to militia not individuals. And your distrust of fellow citizens is really nutty
    what is even more, moronic, is that no Militia can be mustered without Individuals.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Inner cities have some of the highest gun violence rates. Are there any gun rights groups handing out handguns in the streets? Is there a gun owner in the country who would lend a firearm to a random passer by? Of course not. That's because no one actually believes that it would be good for everyone to have a gun.

    None of us want everyone to have a gun. What we really want is for responsible people who know what they're doing to have a gun.
    Cheap useless examples. No one is 'giving out handguns' anywhere. If they were, I'd be in line. And hand my gun to a stranger? Sure....."hi, I need to put down that deer I just hit with my car...." It all depends.

    And the last sentence....do you understand what a right is at all? Hell, that's my sentiment exactly about people reproducing but I dont get any choice in what others do with their reproductive organs. Same with free speech. How about voting? Sure, we'd ALL like to see only 'responsible' people exercising their rights. Me, I'd love to have every person who texts and drives locked up for life and their assets sold to pay for it (or the parents of teens pay). But ya know, I have to live with the personal liberties of others to ensure my own are not restricted unfairly.

    You might want to read my signature, in blue.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Inner cities have some of the highest gun violence rates. Are there any gun rights groups handing out handguns in the streets?
    Can you list any gun laws, proposed or imagined, that would keep guns out of inner cities? Aside from national confiscation...and then the inner cities would STILL have guns.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Heh, to reiterate....yes, I am a Democrat and pretty darn liberal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Can you list any gun laws, proposed or imagined, that would keep guns out of inner cities? Aside from national confiscation...and then the inner cities would STILL have guns.
    A well regulated Militia would be an obvious choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Can you list any gun laws, proposed or imagined, that would keep guns out of inner cities? Aside from national confiscation...and then the inner cities would STILL have guns.
    We're not talking about which gun laws work and which don't. We're talking about if the government has a right to regulate arms.

    Do you think that people should be able to carry a firearm on a plane... where any bullets fired are likely to lead to a explosive decompression? If not, then you need to reconcile the constitutional basis for governments ability to regulate arms on a plane, but not on the ground.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    We're not talking about which gun laws work and which don't. We're talking about if the government has a right to regulate arms.

    Do you think that people should be able to carry a firearm on a plane... where any bullets fired are likely to lead to a explosive decompression? If not, then you need to reconcile the constitutional basis for governments ability to regulate arms on a plane, but not on the ground.
    That is a fallacy.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    We're not talking about which gun laws work and which don't. We're talking about if the government has a right to regulate arms.

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    Um, and how would the govt 'regulate' arms? Using harsh language?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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