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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm a liberal Democrat, bless your heart. And I've participated in several discussions on this on gun forums and the bold statement is factual.

    Here's the only study that anyone came up with, coicidentally, quite local:

    WA state requires no training at all and is a SHall-issue state.
    OR requires training and is a May-issue state.

    WA has a larger population and a larger urban population. (and a higher number of permits)
    OR has a higher number of gun-related accidents and incidents.

    This isnt about crime...crime has nothing to do with permits or training.
    I never mentioned crime. A gun is a deadly machine, deadly machines in public should require permits that require proof of knowledge of safety, laws, rules, and ability to use the machine. "Well regulated" militia, ie regulations are not only allowed but required. And don't give me any bull**** about supposedly "well regulated" not meaning well regulated.

    Regardless of your usual slant. To decry a course prior to a CCW permit is idiotic and the view of the extreme right wing nutjobs.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I never mentioned crime. A gun is a deadly machine, deadly machines in public should require permits that require proof of knowledge of safety, laws, rules, and ability to use the machine. "Well regulated" militia, ie regulations are not only allowed but required. And don't give me any bull**** about supposedly "well regulated" not meaning well regulated.

    Regardless of your usual slant. To decry a course prior to a CCW permit is idiotic and the view of the extreme right wing nutjobs.
    It's not bull****, maybe you should check history. Regulated referred to training and preparation (supplies).

    And I never ever said a course prior to a CCW is idiotic...try to control yourself. I said that there is no evidence that it makes any difference in gun accidents or incidents. It has not shown more OR less effective in states with or without it.

    As for permits to own guns? No, that implies *permission,* the opposite of the 2A. And I dont need a permit for my chain saw. Nor training.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Why should the commanders in chief of that which is enumerated as necessary to the security of a free State, get a free pass?

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not that large - they are listed first out of four.
    If you go to dps.texas.gov you see question 20 makes ZERO mention of the NRA and simply says CHL Instructor certified by DPS.

    Question 43 lists the ways to be a certified instructor- I note the NRA is listed third, below Law Enforcement Instructor, Private security Instructor, the NRA and finally a private school that uses approved national standards for Instructors with the graduate engaged in teaching students 'regularly'. No way in Hail does a CHL Instructor have to be multiple certified.

    No where does it say the Instructor MUST be NRA or the class MUST be run for/by the NRA. I have worked classes in Texas- the NRA was nooooo place to be seen.

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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's not bull****, maybe you should check history. Regulated referred to training and preparation (supplies). And I never ever said a course prior to a CCW is idiotic...try to control yourself. I said that there is no evidence that it makes any difference in gun accidents or incidents. It has not shown more OR less effective in states with or without it. As for permits to own guns? No, that implies *permission,* the opposite of the 2A. And I dont need a permit for my chain saw. Nor training.
    Actually to use a chain saw in public, yes you do. Sorry. On your property, not so much. "Training and preparation" which is what the required course is. Again, nothing against the 2nd Amendment.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Actually to use a chain saw in public, yes you do. Sorry. On your property, not so much. "Training and preparation" which is what the required course is. Again, nothing against the 2nd Amendment.
    I need a permit to use my chain saw on DNR land? At my neighbors'? Out on our rural road to move a tree? Ruh-oh. I better check on that. Actually I need a permit for the wood on the DNR land.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    That's one popular position to take but that only adds a third reason why SCOTUS wisely stayed away....let the legislative branch do their job.
    So what exactly do you think the job of the SCOTUS is?
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I need a permit to use my chain saw on DNR land? At my neighbors'? Out on our rural road to move a tree? Ruh-oh. I better check on that. Actually I need a permit for the wood on the DNR land.
    No you don't. Just take the wood, and when the DNR attempts to confiscate that wood from you, call FOX News, who can put it on the air, resulting in hundreds of militia guys coming over and raising hell, then the government lets you keep the wood.

    There's a form for that, I think.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm curious how many people knew how to shoot and handle a gun before they got their training approved by the state? I was taught by my father that was a sniper in the military, but apparently his training is inferior to the states. It reminds me of child care providers being told they aren't experts in how to do their job even if they have been doing it for thirty years, but this person that has been doing their job for a week is. It's pretty goddamn insulting, imho.
    I also received the best firearm training I ever acquired from my father. I was under his watchful eye from age 6 until being allowed to go out on my own with a firearm at about age 11. By then handling a firearm safely was second nature to me, and he knew it.
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    Re: U.S. Supreme Court declines new gun regulations challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So what exactly do you think the job of the SCOTUS is?
    I have been watching the ways of CONs for some time now. It seems when the Supreme Courts hands down a ruling CONs like they cheer and cry "FREEDOM"

    When the Supreme Courts hands down a decision CONs don't like it is "Un-elected Officials legislating from the bench!"

    The Supreme Court has let a lower court ruling stand, thus reserving the right to address the issue at a later date.

    Personally I think the best course of action is to rework the law on concealed carry at the state level. I don't think 2nd A supporters really want to push the issue of just what is prohibition- like Heller and McDonald and what is acceptable restrictions- shall issue, may issue, need to prove a reason for issue.

    Yeah I know the ardent 2nd A guys feel ANY restriction is Unconstitutional, but there are many people who feel same sex marriage should never be allowed. Both ends of the restriction scale... both impractical.

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