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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You don't get to decide how a town conducts meetings. The people of that meeting want to pray before the meeting how does that really harm you?
    Slippery slope. I prefer a secular society. Hence, any public prayer in a public meeting harms me. You want to pray, keep it in the church or your own home--hell pray in the ****ing park for all I care, but don't force the whole town to bear your bull****.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Slippery slope. I prefer a secular society. Hence, any public prayer in a public meeting harms me. You want to pray, keep it in the church or your own home--hell pray in the ****ing park for all I care, but don't force the whole town to bear your bull****.
    How are you harmed by prayer before a public meeting?

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Slippery slope. I prefer a secular society. Hence, any public prayer in a public meeting harms me. You want to pray, keep it in the church or your own home--hell pray in the ****ing park for all I care, but don't force the whole town to bear your bull****.
    that is your preference that doesn't mean you get to mandate that to other people and the SCOTUS upheld that.
    the prayers happen before the meeting. not during the meeting. so if you don't want to hear them then show up exactly on time or a few minutes after.

    wow calling other peoples religious views bull**** is a bit bigotted don't you think? aren't you one that rants and rails against bigots to?

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is your preference that doesn't mean you get to mandate that to other people and the SCOTUS upheld that.
    SCOTUS is biased. The article I posted proved that. And, that is a a shame because the biased judges voted to approve an unconstitutional thing.

    the prayers happen before the meeting. not during the meeting. so if you don't want to hear them then show up exactly on time or a few minutes after.

    wow calling other peoples religious views bull**** is a bit bigotted don't you think? aren't you one that rants and rails against bigots to?
    Religious views by definition are bull****, after all, none of them can be proved to be real. Hence...bull****.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    If the majority of the people attending wanted time for that and acted within state laws (no sacrifices or anything like that) I don't imagine that most people would care.
    Fantastic. All is good. Wellll, maybe, maybe not.

    I'm guessing that a Satanic Priest standing up in a meeting asking for equal time during a public meeting is likely to freak more people out than I think you just implied. Let's put it this way. I'd love to see the expressions on people's faces at that particular moment.

    My stance is:

    Wanna pray? Go to church and pray among and with one's religious peers. Wanna pray? Fire away, inside one's mind anytime or anyplace. If prayers don't work when they are done so in silences...then maybe people are praying to the wrong deity. Maybe a deity doesn't want to answer a prayer or think that it fits the big plan.

    Have public business that needs to be remedied? Go to a meeting with the agenda to resolve a public problem. Public debate helps resolve issues, not prayer.

    In other words, what is the end game by saying a prayer at a public meeting? Fellowship maybe? What about those who don't subscribe to, or is affiliated with religion? Do those who subscribe to minority religions get their form of prayers invoked in a public meeting? Like say should the meeting include those who want to spread a prayer blanket, get on their knees, face the west, and bow in prayer?

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    SCOTUS is biased. The article I posted proved that. And, that is a a shame because the biased judges voted to approve an unconstitutional thing.
    it is not unconstitutoinal to pray BEFORE a meeting starts. after the meeting starts and you might have an argument. you claiming they are bias is an opinion since well you disagree with their ruling.

    Religious views by definition are bull****, after all, none of them can be proved to be real. Hence...bull****.
    so you are a religious bigot then. funny how you rail on other people being bigots and such and you are one yourself.
    PS your opinion is not a fact and has no weight. you are just intolerant of other peoples religious views.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Fantastic. All is good. Wellll, maybe, maybe not.

    I'm guessing that a Satanic Priest standing up in a meeting asking for equal time during a public meeting is likely to freak more people out than I think you just implied. Let's put it this way. I'd love to see the expressions on people's faces at that particular moment.

    My stance is:

    Wanna pray? Go to church and pray among and with one's religious peers. Wanna pray? Fire away, inside one's mind anytime or anyplace. If prayers don't work when they are done so in silences...then maybe people are praying to the wrong deity. Maybe a deity doesn't want to answer a prayer or think that it fits the big plan.

    Have public business that needs to be remedied? Go to a meeting with the agenda to resolve a public problem. Public debate helps resolve issues, not prayer.

    In other words, what is the end game by saying a prayer at a public meeting? Fellowship maybe? What about those who don't subscribe to, or is affiliated with religion? Do those who subscribe to minority religions get their form of prayers invoked in a public meeting? Like say should the meeting include those who want to spread a prayer blanket, get on their knees, face the west, and bow in prayer?
    it isn't during the meeting it is BEFORE the meeting.

    sorry but the constitution doesn't limit you on where and when you can pray. what it does say is that government can't tell you when and where to pray.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

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    I consider the political ritual of saying a religious invocation before a meeting to be the highest form of hypocrisy, bar none. I'm not so opposed to it as disgusted by it. They call upon their own deity to bless a meeting that is already rife with lies.

    This is something that the voters should stop on the local level, rather than having a court decide.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it is not unconstitutoinal to pray BEFORE a meeting starts. after the meeting starts and you might have an argument. you claiming they are bias is an opinion since well you disagree with their ruling.
    The NYT article showed how the Left leaning justices ruled much more evenly on free speech issues than the Right Leaning ones. That suggest they judges on the Right are biased, by definition.



    so you are a religious bigot then. funny how you rail on other people being bigots and such and you are one yourself.
    PS your opinion is not a fact and has no weight. you are just intolerant of other peoples religious views.
    How can I be biased when I have no qualms with people practicing their religion in church or in private? It's the public displays of religion which I spurn. BTW: Did not your Christ warn his followers against such displays of pretense?


    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...34&version=ESV

    6 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

    2 “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    The Lord's Prayer

    5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
    Every day I see that the "Christians" are doing anything and everything except following the teachings of their Christ.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it isn't during the meeting it is BEFORE the meeting.

    sorry but the constitution doesn't limit you on where and when you can pray. what it does say is that government can't tell you when and where to pray.
    Ah...So it's a prayer meeting before the public meeting? In other words, before the meeting is called into business the prayer is said?

    Hmmmmm,

    A small New York town’s practice of opening its government meetings with a prayer does not violate the constitutional separation of church and state, a sharply divided Supreme Court ruled Monday, in a decision that both sides said could signal a major shift in the role of religion in the public square.
    I think the meeting has been called into business...then the prayer is said.

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