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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's funny. I'm a Christian (I don't practice as much as I should) but I see signs and billboards preaching ideas that I don't agree with personally and at times contradict my Christian beliefs, however those groups have every right to display their message - that is what makes the United States so great - First Amendment rights, yet atheists get bent when Christians advertise their ideas?

    In my opinion it appears Atheists have a war against Christianity and potentially Judaism, however it seems Islam is immune from their disgust and hate - and that, within itself raises a lot of questions as to the motives of the Atheists - because the way I see it they're really not "non believers" they just hate CERTAIN religions. Now why - I can only speculate but I can only assume by their actions they have a vendetta against Jews and Christians.

    Now of course I cannot claim every Atheist adheres to such a radical ideal but I do believe there is a majority that does.
    I don't know anything about you or what you believe, but what the 'atheists' have a war against isn't religion itself, it's that a big share of the public adherents to it, in the political arena, are more than happy to use religion as a basis for changes to public policy, and they are vehement and proud that the basis for those public policy positions is their version of Christianity. For example, it's likely that billboard was put up in support for some political cause, with real effects on real people. And when people oppose those policies because of the effect on real people (e.g. gay marriage, abortion), that's not a war on "Christianity" it is opposing policy, same way you might oppose gun control measures.

    And similarly, the 'atheists' don't support Islam per se, but have reacted to what can only be described in many cases as overt, proud, in your face, anti-Muslim bigotry by so-called Christians. Just a few miles from me in Murfreesboro, TN, local "Christians" spent two years or more fighting the construction and then use of a Mosque. The bigotry was overt, and it's that bigotry that the 'atheists' are reacting to, not favoring Islam over Christianity. We had elected officials declaring Islam was a cult or way of life, not a religion protected by the Constitution, and certainly not protected like the Christianity ALL of these elected officials were proud to declare themselves followers of.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The odd part - the part I don't get - is why are these Atheists opposed to prayer? especially when they're not forced to partake in prayer.

    Although they might not believe in God, they should believe in freedom and embrace freedom - even if a group is partaking in a harmless action such as prayer.
    So, Christians ought to also embrace freedom that contradicts their religious beliefs, such as gay marriage and abortion and contraception. I agree!

    I've explained it in another post, but another way to look at it is the far right wing has become linked at the hip with evangelical Christianity/fundamentalism. So what you're seeing in many cases is a reaction to the politics of the political party that has embraced fundamental Christianity as the basis/justification for unpopular (among 'atheists') political positions.

    It's sort of like the opposition to Islam. What most of us aren't opposed to is Islam, but the tiny sliver of Muslims who are terrorists. And in the eyes of many Muslims, the opposition to terrorists (which means putting Muslims as a group in the cross hairs), and to the Muslim governments that support terrorism looks like a general 'war on Islam." For most it's not a war on Islam, but a 'war' on some Muslims. No different with the left wing opposition to (war on) some Christians, who use Christianity as the basis for some policies.
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    NIEN!

    But seriously, this attention whore looks like he has no "business" at the council. Aside from disrupting it and making it all about religon, er "fictional" religion. Namely his fictional conversion to Satanisim!
    It could simply be about the social concept of equality along with the concept of Individual Liberty.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It could simply be about the social concept of equality along with the concept of Individual Liberty.
    Pretending to be a satanist so you can show up and offer satanic prayers? To champion equality and individual liberty? I generally find that efforts that start out as dishonest rarely end up ringing true. One wonders once this fella actually researches his new religion, which of the "prayers" satanist supposedly engage in he is going to use.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Pretending to be a satanist so you can show up and offer satanic prayers? To champion equality and individual liberty? I generally find that efforts that start out as dishonest rarely end up ringing true. One wonders once this fella actually researches his new religion, which of the "prayers" satanist supposedly engage in he is going to use.
    i believe we should be able to invest in morals testing companies on a for-profit basis along with drug testing companies under our form of Capitalism.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    i believe we should be able to invest in morals testing companies on a for-profit basis along with drug testing companies under our form of Capitalism.
    And this is relevant to what and why?

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    And this is relevant to what and why?
    What if a person of morals only pretends to have those morals?

    Job 34:30 That the hypocrite reign not, lest the people be ensnared.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Freedom is terrible thing for you isnt it?
    You can bow your head and pray anytime you like. Why do you and others want to force the rest of us to participate. If group prayer were not an attempt to force others to participate, then what is the point of group prayer in the first place?

    Personally, I am of the opinion that prayer or any type of religious practice should not be allowed in any institution using taxpayer money.
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You can bow your head and pray anytime you like. Why do you and others want to force the rest of us to participate. If group prayer were not an attempt to force others to participate, then what is the point of group prayer in the first place?

    Personally, I am of the opinion that prayer or any type of religious practice should not be allowed in any institution using taxpayer money.
    It doesn't cost any money to pray.
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It doesn't cost any money to pray.
    No, but I, and many others, don't want to support religious practices with our taxpayer money. If you are standing in a government building or on government land, it costs money to pray. If we were to use that logic, then I should protest paying rent to my landlord. It does not cost them anything for me to breathe, sleep and eat in the building that I reside in.
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