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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What I cling to is simple: If a government meeting has been called into business - NO PRAYER! If people want to assemble prior to the government meeting for pray - GO FOR IT on their own time. Not during a meeting that's is designed to address public business and problems. Is that just too much to ask?

    A person can wake up and begin praying and pray till they fall asleep...and then dream about praying. But just don't make me listen to their prayers. That's it. Is that too much to ask?
    I dont like to hear people talk about tv shows. Should that not be allowed? Or people signing? Expressing concern about the government? Where are you drawing this line? It seems like you think only the religious voice should be oppressed.
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Maybe maybe maybe. We dont know. They believe it will help. They might be right they might be wrong. In the end it hurts no one. I could see the problem if they forced everyone to pray. But they aren't doing that. They are at most asking those who dont to be respectful for 2 or 3 minutes. There is nothing wrong with that regardless of beliefs.



    Again that is your belief. There are a lot of people who believe that prayer helps. In the end it is a matter of beliefs.



    I dont think that is the case. I am not a big prayer guy but I have heard them. Generally they are saying something like " lord please give us strength" type of prayers. And saying those words really seems to help a lot of people, makes them stay positive. Others it doesn't. But as I said before it hurts noone, and helps some. It is worth allowing.



    If there is a large group of them I am sure it would.

    Realistically if you are having a town hall meeting with 100 people. 75 of those people would like to say a short prayer. 20 dont care either way. And 5 people who oppose it just because they hate religion and jump on any opportunity to attack them. What should happen? 95% of people support it in their meeting or dont care, and 5% only care to be assholes.
    Just pray for all of us who don't want to be exposed to other people's religion or prayers at government meetings or public meetings to deal with public problems. OKAY?

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I dont like to hear people talk about tv shows. Should that not be allowed? Or people signing? Expressing concern about the government? Where are you drawing this line? It seems like you think only the religious voice should be oppressed.
    And you see your examples being the same?

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Just pray for all of us who don't want to be exposed to other people's religion or prayers at government meetings or public meetings to deal with public problems. OKAY?
    You are asking me to pray for you?
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    And you see your examples being the same?
    It what way are they not? You are saying people shouldn't pray out loud because you don't want to hear it. How is that any different than me not wanting to hear singing?
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It what way are they not? You are saying people shouldn't pray out loud because you don't want to hear it. How is that any different than me not wanting to hear singing?
    You're kidding, right?

    As I said, just pray for us all who don't want to be at public (government events, meetings) with your prayer being invoked at the beginning of each meeting. Yes. You are one of the people who simple can't grasp "Separation of Church and State".

    Thanks, gotta run.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You're kidding, right?

    As I said, just pray for us all who don't want to be at public (government events, meetings) with your prayer being invoked at the beginning of each meeting. Yes. You are one of the people who simple can't grasp "Separation of Church and State".

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What I cling to is simple: If a government meeting has been called into business - NO PRAYER! If people want to assemble prior to the government meeting for pray - GO FOR IT on their own time. Not during a meeting that's is designed to address public business and problems. Is that just too much to ask?

    A person can wake up and begin praying and pray till they fall asleep...and then dream about praying. But just don't make me listen to their prayers. That's it. Is that too much to ask?
    Well the bad news for you is that the Prayer Nazi's are out of luck. In general nobody buys your tortured rationale. You are not really interested in hearing much less thinking about anything BUT your dictate. You blithely sidestep and ignore any attempts to get you to engage outside of your dictate. When I point out the fallacy of your Satanist hypothetical (not surprisingly coming from someone rejecting everything in favor of their own personal opinion) you say that does not matter! Of course in order to explain your opinion, you have to first post erroneous hypotheticals which you will later state really mean noting at all! Yeah that much was obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Just pray for all of us who don't want to be exposed to other people's religion or prayers at government meetings or public meetings to deal with public problems. OKAY?
    I think I'll do the opposite and I'm not religious. I'll be thankful that narrow minded people engaging in specious arguments predicated in willful ignorance and obstinacy don't make for convincing or persuasive advocates of or opponents of anything.



    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You're kidding, right?

    As I said, just pray for us all who don't want to be at public (government events, meetings) with your prayer being invoked at the beginning of each meeting. Yes. You are one of the people who simple can't grasp "Separation of Church and State".

    Thanks, gotta run.
    There is that tortured rationale again. Now allowing a prayer before a meeting is somehow the establishment of religion in government! Yes yes, it likely is time for you to run along. It's getting eyeball high in bovine feces up in here.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You speak out loud. That forces those around you to hear it. So should noone be allowed to say something if there is anyone around who doesn't want to hear it?
    It's a city council meeting. It's intent is to discuss city business. Prayer is not a part of that.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It's a city council meeting. It's intent is to discuss city business. Prayer is not a part of that.
    You are right, it is not. Though a prayer was held before the meeting.

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