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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    So if there was a Satanic Priest at a public meeting and the Satanist wanted equal time to do a Satanic prayer. Would that be okay?
    Satanic Priest don't lead prayers, they lead meditations and view prayer as following dogma. Good try though. But as Kreton said and you ignored, if a Satanic Priest wants to arrive before a meeting to lead a meditation and all the state laws are followed? It is hard to imagine anyone would really mind. I'd require Mr. Hail Satan to actually attend the meeting though. In order to discourage grand standers and types there to disrupt the meeting with their "meditation/prayer" who have no interest in the meeting itself.

    As to the rest of your questions, you know it is 2014 right? Or do you really think none of this has come up before or none of your questions have ever been addressed? Or you just need posters at an internet message board to answer them for you?

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    So many people outraged and disgusted by others expressing one of the core freedoms of this country. I guess for some freedom only counts if they agree with what is being expressed, which makes it the opposite of free.
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

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    Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting [W:93:217]The baiting and flaming in this thread needs to stop and people need to stick closely to the topic going forward. Moon, Calamity, and Grim...you three specifically better make note of this warning

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So many people outraged and disgusted by others expressing one of the core freedoms of this country. I guess for some freedom only counts if they agree with what is being expressed, which makes it the opposite of free.
    Define "harm".










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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Define "harm".
    Define "harm" would be a good question to ask the person who claimed they would be harmed by prayer before a meeting. That poster was calamity and calamity took the fifth on that question.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Define "harm".
    And that's definitely the problem. Personal definitions of harm? Legal definitions of harm? Etc.

    Calamity, for example, feels that a public prayer in a public meeting "harms" him simply because he desires a secular society. So similarly, I could see Moon feeling that a Public Official engaging in sexual actions with a subordinate while married "harms" him simply becasue he desires a moral and ethical society.

    Then again, those would seemingly be personal definitions largely based upon opinion, as opposed to legal definitions. They would also be personal definitions that I could very easily see the majority of people disagreeing with as it relates to "harm".

    As it relates to this case, I'm unsure how much "harm" really played in. I need to read the actual ruling on it. However, I don't think it's a black and white notion that a prayer prior to a local public meeting, even if it happens to be towards a specific religion, is inherently the establishment of a state religion or a tangible push in that direction. I would imagine that if it was actually an official part of the proceedings OR if prayers of other religions in a similar situation were denied then it'd be more clearly problematic.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Define "harm".
    That would be difficult since I don't see anyone could be harmed. If you feel otherwise, I'd love to see your definition.
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So many people outraged and disgusted by others expressing one of the core freedoms of this country. I guess for some freedom only counts if they agree with what is being expressed, which makes it the opposite of free.
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    Expressing words of love for your country, like the kind that would make you unfaithful to your wife, are meaningless.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Expressing words of love for your country, like the kind that would make you unfaithful to your wife, are meaningless.
    In your view, perhaps. That doesn't negate the fact that people do, and should, have the freedom to say it whether you agree or not.
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    Re: Supreme Court ruling favors prayer at council meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Expressing words of love for your country, like the kind that would make you unfaithful to your wife, are meaningless.
    You just replied to a post that said nothing about expressing love. The post you replied to said: So many people outraged and disgusted by others expressing one of the core freedoms of this country.

    So your reply to something not said, well it is pretty meaningless.

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