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That is your opinion.
No, it isn't an "opinion", it is what we call a "fact". The fact is that teens make-up less than 20% of MW workers.

FFS, stop telling me how wrong I am when you have little to no knowledge of the topic YOU BROUGHT UP WITH ME.
 
No, it isn't an "opinion", it is what we call a "fact". The fact is that teens make-up less than 20% of MW workers.

FFS, stop telling me how wrong I am when you have little to no knowledge of the topic YOU BROUGHT UP WITH ME.

20% of the 8 million or so making minimum wage is 1.6 million that you want to pay whatever to. Further there are many making minimum wage that aren't teens with low profit demand but that profit demand doesn't interest you as you prefer making the actual wage an issue not what the people spend. Didn't Obama say get rid of the cell phone to pay for Obamacare? When will you hold people responsible for what they spend vs. telling a private business what to pay those people?
 
Well there you are, MW workers should be in poverty since they are genetically inferior.

Seems like liberals have the genetic defeat, inability to reason and understand personal responsibility. Again is it too much to ask to do research into how many people make minimum wage and what their profit demand is rather than broad brush the issue like you always do using your own standard of living as a guideline? Again, still waiting, what gives you or anyone else the right to tell someone else what they should pay their employees?
 
you prefer making the actual wage an issue not what the people spend.
FFS con, you were one just a few posts ago avoiding how the poverty level is defined, let alone actually discussing how it is calculated.

Can't you remember your argument from less than a half hour ago?

Living below the reported poverty level doesn't mean one is living in poverty

Quit avoiding discussing the typical MW worker.....but then......you don't know who the typical MW worker is.
 
Guess another subject you know nothing about is profit demand.
OK...no response....so I will help you out.

"Profit demand" is a number a BUSINESS OWNER creates as a reward appropriate to the risk of running a business. It is not a number a MW worker calculates for his own personal interest.....since he is not a business owner.

Why you conflate it with MW to a MW worker is beyond me.
 
Further there are many making minimum wage that aren't teens with low profit demand but that profit demand doesn't interest you
Again, "profit demand" is something an owner calculates for himself, it is not a number a MW worker calculates for himself.
 
If you aint making $20 an hour, and getting at least 50 hours per week, you might as WELL be unemployed, cause what's happening is you are slowly starving to death. and that's about 3/4 of of the US population. That's WITHOUT a dependent wife or kids. With a couple of kids, you AND your wife better be grossing 100k per year, each. Or you HAVE to be either sucking the govt teat for the kid's education (a very poor one) or you are in other ways not raising the kids properly/not adequately preparing for your retirement/healthcare.

I kinda get your point, but I disagree that sending your kids to public school (the only schooling provided via the "government teat") necessarily equates to a poor education or a failure to properly prepare your kids for life.
 
FFS con, you were one just a few posts ago avoiding how the poverty level is defined, let alone actually discussing how it is calculated.

Can't you remember your argument from less than a half hour ago?



Quit avoiding discussing the typical MW worker.....but then......you don't know who the typical MW worker is.

Unlike you I actually employed people and do indeed know who the Minimum wage worker is and also know that no one makes minimum wage for long if they are worth it. You on the other have have no problem spending someone else's money never having an "skin in the game" yet an expert on everything and every topic. You just have no idea what you are talking about for if you did you would actually do the research, actually employ people, and actually help in their development instead of spending someone else's money
 
OK...no response....so I will help you out.

"Profit demand" is a number a BUSINESS OWNER creates as a reward appropriate to the risk of running a business. It is not a number a MW worker calculates for his own personal interest.....since he is not a business owner.

Why you conflate it with MW to a MW worker is beyond me.

Wrong, profit demand is what the business owner needs in Gross profit to meet their personal and operating expenses of which payroll is an operating expense.
 
Unlike you I actually employed people and do indeed know who the Minimum wage worker is
NO, you have constantly displayed a desire to talk about teens, they are not representative of MW workers.
 
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Wrong, profit demand is what the business owner needs in Gross profit to meet their personal and operating expenses of which payroll is an operating expense.
Wrong, I have asked you multiple times to link to a definition.....and again, you were applying it to a concern of a MW worker:
Further there are many making minimum wage that aren't teens with low profit demand but that profit demand doesn't interest you as you prefer making the actual wage an issue not what the people spend.
That explains a lot showing how little you understand about what it takes for individuals to live on

So which is it con? Is "profit demand" something a MW worker calculates for himself, or a risk payment an owner calculates?

Go on and find a reference. Link to it.
 
NO, you have constantly displayed a desire to talk about teens, they are not representative of MW workers.

From BLS, 20% of the Minimum wage earners are teens and the number being paid the Federal Minimum wage isn't what you think it is but that doesn't stop you from spending someone else's money. You have no concept of how businesses operate and what profit demand is.
 
Wrong, I have asked you multiple times to link to a definition.....and again, you were applying it to a concern of a MW worker:


So which is it con? Is "profit demand" something a MW worker calculates for himself, or a risk payment an owner calculates?

Go on and find a reference. Link to it.

Everyone has a profit demand even you. It applies to everyone, it is what you make in relationship to what you spend. You don't seem to understand the concept obviously never running anything or even handling your own expenses.
 
Everyone has a profit demand even you. It applies to everyone, it is what you make in relationship to what you spend. You don't seem to understand the concept obviously never running anything or even handling your own expenses.
OK...I get it it, you have really no idea what you are talking about, you cannot reference it......and you are going to apply it differently to owners and individuals.

Let me know when you have a textbook definition you can link to.....if you ever find it.
 
...and again, (less than) 20% are not representative, aka "typical". This is the 2nd time I have told you this today.

You have never told me how many people in a labor force of 155 million with 145 million working are making Federal minimum wage and why it is your responsibility or the government's to tell a private business what to pay their employees? I am waiting.
 
You have never told me how many people in a labor force of 155 million with 145 million working are making Federal minimum wage
What difference would it make? You can't deal with the demographics of a typical MW worker to begin with......and you have no point.....at all.....which is....very typical of your posts.


and why it is your responsibility or the government's to tell a private business what to pay their employees? I am waiting.
Um, I think we covered this last year, and I would not expect you to have changed your opinion.....or show any further understanding of why we have a MW......so again, what is your point?

Do you know what your point is?
 
What difference would it make? You can't deal with the demographics of a typical MW worker to begin with......and you have no point.....at all.....which is....very typical of your posts.


Um, I think we covered this last year, and I would not expect you to have changed your opinion.....or show any further understanding of why we have a MW......so again, what is your point?

Do you know what your point is?

It makes all the difference in the world except to a big govt. liberal like you who believes it is the Federal Government's responsibility to tell the private businesses in your state what to pay their workers. Typical liberalism of micromanaging something they don't understand. Do you think the cost of living is the same in each state? It isn't any of the Federal Govt's business what a private business in TX pays their workers and you don't seem to comprehend that concept.

We have an intrusive Federal Govt. who has no business telling you as a private employer what to pay your employees if you had any. Just like with every issue this should be a state issue and not a Federal one.
 
Do you think the cost of living is the same in each state?
Em...er....uh.....each of the states DO, in fact, set their own MW......to...um.....address the their COL.

But the idea in debating someone, is to address the premise of their original comment.

I replied to the comment:
It's also lunacy to suggest wages have been stagnant since the 1970's.
with:
uh-huh
Repost:

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Versus....



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so....are you ever going to make ANY point that relates directly to my response.....which I will remind you AGAIN....had next to nothing to do with MW?
 
Em...er....uh.....each of the states DO, in fact, set their own MW......to...um.....address the their COL.

But the idea in debating someone, is to address the premise of their original comment.

I replied to the comment:with:

so....are you ever going to make ANY point that relates directly to my response.....which I will remind you AGAIN....had next to nothing to do with MW?

Awesome, so the states set their own Minimum Wage? Interesting then why this is a Federal issue? You don't seem to grasp the responsibility that goes with businesses nor do you understand profit demand at all. Just keep spouting liberal talking points that show you are out of touch with reality. The best way to raise wages is to create a vibrant growing economy and liberals have no idea how to do that
 
BTW - as of yesterday's close - the DOW was down for 2014.

INDU Quote - Dow Jones Industrial Average Index - Bloomberg

73,000 jobs lost in April, 0.1% GDP rise, 0.1% rise in retail sales in April...and now the DOW (and the Russell 2000 - a small cap index) is down for the calender year.

Either the weather is to blame or more QE anyone?
 
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