Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 33

Thread: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

  1. #21
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    16,685

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I suppose, but I know a lot of metalheads and none of them are murderous. Most of them are perfectly normal people with day jobs, etc.

    If it turned out a serial killer liked Beethoven, would we hear about that? That guy's stuff was full of as much angst as most metal.
    Your friends are nice, quiet neighbors and never bother anybody?
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  2. #22
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,620

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I sometimes wonder about the so called "need" for the medication. Why is it that people grew up just fine without it and now it seems many parents want to "medicate" their children?
    I sometimes wonder as well, however it is false to claim that kids 'grew up just fine without it'. There is a LOOOONG string of mass murderers BEFORE Zoloft, look that up.

    For the Zoloft link to have weight there would have to be a majority of kids on Zoloft out killing folks, not a number of the mass murderers on Zoloft.

    The better question might be what indicators are there for mass murder and how effective are drugs like Zoloft in combating it. Idle speculation isn't helpful. Just using the last few incidents is junk.

    1991, same year as Luby's- 28 yo Gang Hu kills 5 wounds 1- no known mental issues or prescribed medication.

    1992 Eric Houston(20) blames his school for a failure to hold employment- 4 dead, 10 wounded- no known prescription, or diagnosis of mental problems

    Kip Kinkel, aged 15, was never on Zoloft but was very disturbed- he killed his parents, 2 students and wounded 25 others.

    Mitchel Johnson(14) and Andrew Golden(12) killed 5 and wounded 10- no meds. that was 1998.

    1999 had Columbine with one of the two on medication and 4 adults between 36 and 47 committing mass murder in the same year.

    You have to go to 2004 for the next kid, but you walk over quite a few bodies from other mass murderers. Jeff Weise, who was on Prozac, but not because his parents wanted to medicate him. His life prior to the shootings and suicide is such a crapfest- dad commits suicide at a police standoff, mother a drunk is badly injured and in a nursing home... he bounced from place to place until he killed his grandfather and then 8 more people.

    2007 and the Virginia Tech murderer Cho(20), while he had been diagnosed with several mental problems in grade school I can't find any report of being medicated.

    Robert Hawkins(19) had been in and out of mental healthcare since age 6, threatened to kill a relative at age 14- difficult to blame any meds for his violent nature.

    Sulejman Talovia(18) never took zoloft but killed 5, wounded 4.

    2008's Wesley Higdon had no record of mental illness or prescribed drug use.

    I can't find any record of Jared Loughner ever being prescribed medication for his mental problems.

    So I'd say it isn't medication causing mass murderers but it seems people with a mental defect do most the killing- i have to wonder how many other mass murderers are not killing due to proper treatment- and how many will 'turn' if taken off their meds....

  3. #23
    He's the most tip top
    Top Cat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    22,296

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I would be curious on that as well. The medication parents use on kids to battle ADHD seems to be creating mass killers later.
    If you have ever had any real experience with seriously ill people you will realize it's almost always when they go OFF the meds that bad things happen. My sister is severe bipolar. Getting her meds right is a continual dance. When they're right, she is fine, when the meds aren't right, she's a mess.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

  4. #24
    Guru
    Ben K.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin, Ireland
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,717

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's one of those paradoxes that aren't so paradoxical when you realize what is going on. Why do people have an increased suicide risk (or other anti-social behavior) while on Anti-Depressants? Because anti-depressants do very little to remove the bad thoughts of the person, it just numbs their emotions. People still contemplate suicide while on anti-depressants, they just are less afraid to follow through.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out something similar is happening with some of these school shooters. ADHD and depression drugs simply help them focus on the task that is dominating their mind.
    This is entirely false.

  5. #25
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:07 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,690

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's one of those paradoxes that aren't so paradoxical when you realize what is going on. Why do people have an increased suicide risk (or other anti-social behavior) while on Anti-Depressants? Because anti-depressants do very little to remove the bad thoughts of the person, it just numbs their emotions. People still contemplate suicide while on anti-depressants, they just are less afraid to follow through.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out something similar is happening with some of these school shooters. ADHD and depression drugs simply help them focus on the task that is dominating their mind.
    Boy that was pretty stupid.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  6. #26
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    16,685
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  7. #27
    Guru
    Ben K.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin, Ireland
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,717

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3367101/

    So it remains very debatable and certainly not supportive of the thought processes you're ascribing to medicated patients.

  8. #28
    Professor
    Capster78's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    08-24-15 @ 02:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    2,253

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I want to know if this kid was on psychotropic drugs and what his status was in that regard. Just stopped them? Just started them? What's different today?
    You want to know what is different today. The problem is our school systems have become feminized to the point that typical boy behavior is looked down on. Boys are told that acting like boys is criminal. Many of the teachers are female and simply do not want to deal with boy's and their normal boy behavior. So instead of doing what teachers have done for hundreds of years and learn how to teach boys, they would rather medicate them. The made up diagnosis of ADD has been the most damaging thing to ever happen to boys in the school system.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

  9. #29
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,692

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I sometimes wonder about the so called "need" for the medication. Why is it that people grew up just fine without it and now it seems many parents want to "medicate" their children?
    Nowadays we have more knowledge both about the nature of these disorders and how to treat them.

    Also, I too wouldn't go blaming the meds.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  10. #30
    cynical class clown
    Luftwaffe's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    CONNECTICUT
    Last Seen
    11-18-17 @ 10:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    10,499

    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre - CNN.com

    Glad this nutball was stopped before he could act on his plan. Not sure what is going on with kids in schools today.
    Time to bring back our troops doing jack **** in Afghanistan and make a gendarmerie force?
    -----MOS 19D = cavalry scout = best damn MOS there is

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •