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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The medication parents use on kids to battle ADHD seems to be creating mass killers later.
    Let's not get hasty with this stuff guys.
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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I would be curious on that as well. The medication parents use on kids to battle ADHD seems to be creating mass killers later.
    ORRRR a tiny fraction of those who needed medication go on to do bad things when off their meds. I wouldn't be too quick to blame the medication- there was a reason for the medication.

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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    ORRRR a tiny fraction of those who needed medication go on to do bad things when off their meds. I wouldn't be too quick to blame the medication- there was a reason for the medication.
    I sometimes wonder about the so called "need" for the medication. Why is it that people grew up just fine without it and now it seems many parents want to "medicate" their children?

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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    I would also like to point out that there's plenty of things they used in the report to create a composite image, almost any of which people would justifiably be able to say is used to promote fear of the activity or the people involved.

    *Likes guns*

    *Likes violent movies*

    *Likes scary books and stories*

    *Likes metal music*
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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I sometimes wonder about the so called "need" for the medication.
    Depends on the person.

    Why is it that people grew up just fine without it and now it seems many parents want to "medicate" their children?
    Just because society had many individuals without medications does not mean that they were "fine without it."

    Over-reliance on medications and over diagnosis can be legitimately argued and has been argued by legitimate sources, but there are significant qualifiers involved. That being said, arguing that there was no prior need is merely looking at it through the lens of those who had been far less exposed to such topics or without exposure to the individuals who would have benefited from medication.
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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah I noticed that as well, they also mentioned he liked guns.
    Guns at least are a little relevant. Not that liking guns makes one a mass murderer, but guns were related to his plan.


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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Guns at least are a little relevant. Not that liking guns makes one a mass murderer, but guns were related to his plan.
    One could also say the same about dark thoughts from reading materials, film, and music.
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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    One could also say the same about dark thoughts from reading materials, film, and music.
    I suppose, but I know a lot of metalheads and none of them are murderous. Most of them are perfectly normal people with day jobs, etc.

    If it turned out a serial killer liked Beethoven, would we hear about that? That guy's stuff was full of as much angst as most metal.


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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I suppose, but I know a lot of metalheads and none of them are murderous. Most of them are perfectly normal people with day jobs, etc.

    If it turned out a serial killer liked Beethoven, would we hear about that? That guy's stuff was full of as much angst as most metal.
    I love metal. That being said, metal has a self-conscious atmosphere to it, however.
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    Re: Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I want to know if this kid was on psychotropic drugs and what his status was in that regard. Just stopped them? Just started them? What's different today?
    It's one of those paradoxes that aren't so paradoxical when you realize what is going on. Why do people have an increased suicide risk (or other anti-social behavior) while on Anti-Depressants? Because anti-depressants do very little to remove the bad thoughts of the person, it just numbs their emotions. People still contemplate suicide while on anti-depressants, they just are less afraid to follow through.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out something similar is happening with some of these school shooters. ADHD and depression drugs simply help them focus on the task that is dominating their mind.
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