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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    MMC, that investigation never got off of the ground. In order for it to 'come to a dead stand still' it would have to have been moving at one point. I don't think that it ever did.
    Steyn nails it. Obama and Clinton let the PR boys handle Benghazi. The Dishonored Dead :: SteynOnline

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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I wonder how LBJ would've reacted. Goldwater was done in with his declaration that he would bomb North Vietnam. LBJ made hay and was elected probably more on that advertisement than anything else.
    Did LBJ comment on something that just happened to another President--of course not.
    Later LBJ bombed North Vietnam. Wonder how LBJ would react? Got any insight?
    We were talking of 9/11.
    Since you lose on the two comparisons, you have to go way back in the last Century--losing credibility.
    And by the way, nobody in the presidential office has been an outright scumbag except Obama, so it's not likely anybody has called other presidents a scumbag before now. Appropriate, don't you think?
    You can tell when righties are getting more desperate when their level of vitriol rises to yours .
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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Steyn nails it. Obama and Clinton let the PR boys handle Benghazi. The Dishonored Dead :: SteynOnline
    When Bush laughed and mocked WMDs when he did his Alf Landon speech in 2004,
    that would be the definition of dishonoring the dead.

    Not to mention the tens of thousands who have PTSD and were maimed and destroyed for life.
    Got a few jokes for the 22 suicides that occur each day from Bush's lying war?
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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    When Bush laughed and mocked WMDs when he did his Alf Landon speech in 2004,
    that would be the definition of dishonoring the dead.

    Not to mention the tens of thousands who have PTSD and were maimed and destroyed for life.
    Got a few jokes for the 22 suicides that occur each day from Bush's lying war?
    Need I remind you that there were a number of other countries intelligence services who had collaborating evidence that the WMDs were in Iraq?

    That hardly raises to the level of the direct dishonesty and lying from this president and this administration.

    Beside what does this actually have to do with the Benghazi scandal anyway? Or yet another lame attempt to blame Bush?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Need I remind you that there were a number of other countries intelligence services who
    had collaborating evidence that the WMDs were in Iraq?
    And where did this intel come from?
    Time for the Senate to open up just as many committees to investigate GOPs as what you're wasting taxpayer money on.

    That hardly raises to the level of the direct dishonesty and lying from this president and this administration.
    Obama is guilty until he proves himself innocent in your eyes.
    You people made up the charges and now you're just trying to invent the evidence to fit, just like the IRA and the rest.

    Beside what does this actually have to do with the Benghazi scandal anyway? Or yet another lame attempt to blame Bush?
    As long as you want to play the Benghazi card, DEMs must play the dozens of GOP cards they own.
    There's no need for DEMs to allow this tar-and-feathering to go unchallenged.
    Time for some political ads showing how the GOP is LYING on Benghazi and who the true SCUMBAGS are for using these deaths as politically.
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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And where did this intel come from?
    Time for the Senate to open up just as many committees to investigate GOPs as what you're wasting taxpayer money on.
    Gee whiz. I'd have to go digging for that one. I believe Israel, Germany, UK, and a couple of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Obama is guilty until he proves himself innocent in your eyes.
    You people made up the charges and now you're just trying to invent the evidence to fit, just like the IRA and the rest.
    Sorry, no. That's a load of BS. Obama has been caught out on a number of occasions lying to the electorate right in the press conferences.
    Have you already forgotten 'you can keep you plan'?
    Have you already forgotten 'you can keep your doctor'?
    Have you already forgotten 'save $2,500 a year on healthcare'?

    And any number of other bold faced lies?

    Both assertions by this president has turned out that the administration knew exactly that this wasn't the case. So you know it's not true, but you say it anyway?
    What sort of sort of situational ethics rationalization have you offer?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As long as you want to play the Benghazi card, DEMs must play the dozens of GOP cards they own.
    There's no need for DEMs to allow this tar-and-feathering to go unchallenged.
    Time for some political ads showing how the GOP is LYING on Benghazi and who the true SCUMBAGS are for using these deaths as politically.
    Please bring forth where you believe the GOP is lying about Benghazi.

    I stand by my position:
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The entire controversy, in my view, has 2 main parts.
    1. 4 dead Americans, one of which a respected ambassador were killed
      • Repeatedly asked for greater security, and were never granted such
      • State didn't want a 'heavy footprint' (security presence) at that embassy
      • It was obvious that on 9/11 anniversary the likelihood of an attack is increased
    2. After the event, in the heat of the rapidly concluding election, no bad news for the Obama administration must have been the mandate. Hence misdirection of quickly discredited memes that the administration put in talking point to present in the media, even though the truth of the attack being well coordinated and pre-planned was already well known to the administration shortly after the attack started.

    Now, for #1, it's a darn shame, but sometimes mistakes are made and there are errors in judgement. You learn from the event, and make policy and procedural changes to prevent a recurrence. Fine.

    For #2, I find it inexcusable that the administration, one again, lies to the public when politically convenient. Further, I find it dam frustrating that some would accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior. In my view, and according to my value system, it isn't. It raises the question as to what values the people hold who accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior.

    This part of the Benghazi issue is far from over, in spite of nearly everyone on the left wanting to bury it.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And where did this intel come from?
    Time for the Senate to open up just as many committees to investigate GOPs as what you're wasting taxpayer money on.



    Obama is guilty until he proves himself innocent in your eyes.
    You people made up the charges and now you're just trying to invent the evidence to fit, just like the IRA and the rest.


    As long as you want to play the Benghazi card, DEMs must play the dozens of GOP cards they own.
    There's no need for DEMs to allow this tar-and-feathering to go unchallenged.
    Time for some political ads showing how the GOP is LYING on Benghazi and who the true SCUMBAGS are for using these deaths as politically.


    No......the Demos don't get to play the dozens of GOP cards they mooched off of someone. This is about the Demos Playing cards with Benghazi and without blurring lines over 911 and the country being hit on BO's watch. While BO was out partying West Coast raising that money for his election.

    Lets see those lies.....don't just talk the talk, now.

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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

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    Merely a false narrative? This is the difference between the deniers and everyone else. They either reject the notion that any wrong doing occurred at all, or they believe their own tripe to make it more palatable to swallow.
    yep says a Bush supporter.

    However, I do keep looking at it. The narrative afterward is mostly meaningless. I'd be more concerned about the errors before the the event. These would concern me more. Hilary took some wind out of that, wisely, by admitting errors. This was a strong political move. Instead, you guys worry about a narrative that lasted a short time, and was corrected. Of the two, it is far and away the most minor. As your side has done all through the Obama presidency, you exaggerate and hype the smallest thing so much, that anyone outside your circle merely dismisses you, and real criticism gets lost. I don't know why you can't see this, as you've lost election after election.

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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Did LBJ comment on something that just happened to another President--of course not.

    We were talking of 9/11.
    Since you lose on the two comparisons, you have to go way back in the last Century--losing credibility.

    You can tell when righties are getting more desperate when their level of vitriol rises to yours .
    I can tell when you can't answer for the lies of the administration you support. You got one, or are you going to continue to deflect in support of the lies? There's a long list. Since the president can't, or won't, as an ardent supporter, maybe you can take the high road in his scumbag stead.

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    Re: Ex-White House Official On Benghazi: 'Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Remember when Romney first jumped on Benghazi, making it an election issue?
    What did DEMs do on the original 9/11/2001?
    They were expected to act like Patriotic lemmings for the party of the Patriotic, the GOP, and they did.

    There will never be peace in foreign policy, as there will never be peace with any GOP faux issue.
    Even if the GOP impeaches another DEM President, it will not satisfy their hatred of the DEMs over Watergate.

    Your icon Goldwater is turning over in his grave on Benghazi.
    Imagine how Goldwater would have responded if DEMs tried to pull this **** on Beirut in the 80's, when he was still in the Senate .
    For the most part I believe politics should end at the waters edge. There are exceptions. The democrats showed this over Vietnam, but then Goldwater had advised LBJ to either win that damn war as he put or bring our boys home. LBJ did neither. But back then it was the Democratic Party that consisted of the hawks, a lot of Republicans were still isolationist. Vietnam changed that. The Democrats went from FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ to McGovern and Carter. McGovern I think gets a bad rap.

    I don't think Republicans hated the Democrats over Watergate, that was Nixon's doings. Not the break in, but the cover up. I have no doubt a lot of Republicans probably did hate the Democrats for forcing Nixon out, but that quickly abetted. In reality more Democrats hated Nixon for exposing Alger Hiss plus some other antics than Republicans hated Democrats for Watergate. Now I would think the Democrats would have excellent grounds for hating Republicans for Clinton's impeachment. The public as a whole wanted Nixon gone and impeached, the public as a whole thought the Republicans were crazy, stupid even for trying to impeach Clinton. In fact Clinton favorable rating actually rose during his impeachment and when it was all over he was around 10 points higher than when it began. But that doesn't mean the public wasn't tired of his antics. They liked Bill and still do, but I am not sure if they would have voted for him again if he could have ran for a third term.

    I haven't said much on Benghazi, oh I believe there was a cover up. But I am not sure for what. I suggest you go back and read Moot's post number 182. She may be on to something, perhaps not exactly what she is saying, but close enough. Remember this is from a guy who was in Laos when Nixon said we have no American GI's in Laos.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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