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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are free to trust whom you will. As I said, I think Gates did a fine job as SecDef, but it's simply a fact that most relief missions are undertaken with incomplete intelligence. If things were going well then a relief mission would not be needed.
    There is a difference between incomplete and wholly lacking intelligence. Something neither you nor Adpst seem to understand. No mission has a 100% confirmed intel, but most missions have more than a location you're going to.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There is a difference between incomplete and wholly lacking intelligence. Something neither you nor Adpst seem to understand. No mission has a 100% confirmed intel, but most missions have more than a location you're going to.
    We had people on the ground with commo gear. We had enough. The problems were time & distance, not intel. And don't presume to know our relative understanding of these issues.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We had people on the ground with commo gear. We had enough. The problems were time & distance, not intel. And don't presume to know our relative understanding of these issues.
    what any mission needs is a defined objective. and intel is something that any mission needs in order to understand an objective.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

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    what any mission needs is a defined objective. and intel is something that any mission needs in order to understand an objective.
    Yes, and . . .?
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, and . . .?
    you cannot formulate a mission with a specific objective without having the intel needed to define the objective.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We had people on the ground with commo gear. We had enough. The problems were time & distance, not intel. And don't presume to know our relative understanding of these issues.
    Secretary Gates would disagree with you. And based on your wildly partisan hackish posting history, I see no reason to take your word. And we all know that you would be first to criticize the administration if the rescue operation went bad saying that the administration risked lives based on nearly absent intelligence information. Hell, you'd even criticize them for sending in reinforcements blind.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    you cannot formulate a mission with a specific objective without having the intel needed to define the objective.
    Well, let's leave aside the facts that a known number of Americans were under attack at a known location. Then if you want to make the case that the situation was too unknown or risky to act then feel free. Regardless, please remember that the General never claimed that a rescue would have been successful or even could have been launched. His regret was than an order to initiate planning for such was never issued or received.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Well, let's leave aside the facts that a known number of Americans were under attack at a known location. Then if you want to make the case that the situation was too unknown or risky to act then feel free. Regardless, please remember that the General never claimed that a rescue would have been successful or even could have been launched. His regret was than an order to initiate planning for such was never issued or received.
    there were other americans that required evacuation.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Secretary Gates would disagree with you. And based on your wildly partisan hackish posting history, I see no reason to take your word. And we all know that you would be first to criticize the administration if the rescue operation went bad saying that the administration risked lives based on nearly absent intelligence information. Hell, you'd even criticize them for sending in reinforcements blind.
    Politically, Gates is to my right. Moreover, please note that neither the General in the OP nor I blame anyone for not launching a rescue. The General's regret was that no order to initiate planning for a rescue was issued or received.
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    Re: General: We Should Have Tried in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    there were other americans that required evacuation.
    Yes, and . . .?
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