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    China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    (Reuters) - China said on Wednesday it would conduct joint naval drills with Russia in the East China Sea off Shanghai in late May, in what it called a bid to deepen military cooperation.
    China's defence ministry did not give an exact location in the East China Sea, where Beijing is locked in an increasingly bitter dispute with Japan over the ownership of a group of uninhabited islets.
    "These drills are regular exercises held by China and Russia's navies, and the purpose is to deepen practical cooperation between the two militaries, to raise the ability to jointly deal with maritime security threats," the ministry said on its website.
    It provided no other details.
    China alarmed Japan, South Korea and the United States last year when it announced an air defence identification zone for the East China Sea, covering the islands.
    The Beijing government, which is swiftly ramping up military spending, has regularly dispatched patrols to the East China Sea since it established the defence zone.
    China was angered last week after U.S. President Barack Obama assured ally Japan that Washington was committed to its defence, including the disputed isles.
    China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea | Reuters
    What will the ramifications of this be in possible future conflicts?

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    (Reuters) - China said on Wednesday it would conduct joint naval drills with Russia in the East China Sea off Shanghai in late May, in what it called a bid to deepen military cooperation.
    China's defence ministry did not give an exact location in the East China Sea, where Beijing is locked in an increasingly bitter dispute with Japan over the ownership of a group of uninhabited islets.
    "These drills are regular exercises held by China and Russia's navies, and the purpose is to deepen practical cooperation between the two militaries, to raise the ability to jointly deal with maritime security threats," the ministry said on its website.
    It provided no other details.
    China alarmed Japan, South Korea and the United States last year when it announced an air defence identification zone for the East China Sea, covering the islands.
    The Beijing government, which is swiftly ramping up military spending, has regularly dispatched patrols to the East China Sea since it established the defence zone.
    China was angered last week after U.S. President Barack Obama assured ally Japan that Washington was committed to its defence, including the disputed isles.
    China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea | Reuters
    What will the ramifications of this be in possible future conflicts?
    I saw that. But as scary as the thought of world war might seem, these developments were expected and described in the analysis of what developments were to be expected done in the early 1990s. So why be surprised?
    We even know how to prevent this course spinning out of control.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    (Reuters) - China said on Wednesday it would conduct joint naval drills with Russia in the East China Sea off Shanghai in late May, in what it called a bid to deepen military cooperation.
    China's defence ministry did not give an exact location in the East China Sea, where Beijing is locked in an increasingly bitter dispute with Japan over the ownership of a group of uninhabited islets.
    "These drills are regular exercises held by China and Russia's navies, and the purpose is to deepen practical cooperation between the two militaries, to raise the ability to jointly deal with maritime security threats," the ministry said on its website.
    It provided no other details.
    China alarmed Japan, South Korea and the United States last year when it announced an air defence identification zone for the East China Sea, covering the islands.
    The Beijing government, which is swiftly ramping up military spending, has regularly dispatched patrols to the East China Sea since it established the defence zone.
    China was angered last week after U.S. President Barack Obama assured ally Japan that Washington was committed to its defence, including the disputed isles.
    China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea | Reuters
    What will the ramifications of this be in possible future conflicts?
    I read this as China showing some support for Russia, relating to the circumstances in Ukraine. Now the USA Cold War hawks can start demanding increased funding for the parasitic arms manufacturing industry in the USA. The Military Industrial Complex will get more money to drag the Nation further down and create more instability. It's all OK, the taxpayers don't know wthat's going on.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I read this as China showing some support for Russia, relating to the circumstances in Ukraine. Now the USA Cold War hawks can start demanding increased funding for the parasitic arms manufacturing industry in the USA. The Military Industrial Complex will get more money to drag the Nation further down and create more instability. It's all OK, the taxpayers don't know wthat's going on.
    Does this mean that Russia and China will join forces in a future military conflict?

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Does this mean that Russia and China will join forces in a future military conflict?
    Heya 24 .....It could. A better question would be. If the Russians are attacked. Would China come to their assistance.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya 24 .....It could. A better question would be. If the Russians are attacked. Would China come to their assistance.
    From some articles I have read, the Chinese feel they will be targeted after Russia.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Does this mean that Russia and China will join forces in a future military conflict?
    It means that we, the USA, have made them feel threatened and so they project a tentative alliance like a chess move to counter USA antagonism. Inside teh USA the "war hawks" will use this as a lever to get more money for the Military Industrial Complex. Mutli-billion dollar deals for multi billion dollar banks and the Big Energy corporations always realize the first profits. This entire situation has been entirely avoidable so it must be part of the plan. Crappy plan, eh? I might add that whatever is good for big money is seldom good for you and I and grandma.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    From some articles I have read, the Chinese feel they will be targeted after Russia.
    Well BO.....did give them a warning over those Japanese Islands.....my concern now would be the Chinese showing up and telling NATO, you aint doing nothing to Russia. Now sit down and STFU.

    As then what would we do? Especially if they just came Right out and Told Obama to STFU.

    Concern now is all those who see thru the Weaknesses of Obama.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well BO.....did give them a warning over those Japanese Islands.....my concern now would be the Chinese showing up and telling NATO, you aint doing nothing to Russia. Now sit down and STFU.

    As then what would we do? Especially if they just came Right out and Told Obama to STFU.

    Concern now is all those who see thru the Weaknesses of Obama.
    Yes, it seems like a domino effect. The closer you get to ones national borders, The more threatened they feel.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    I don't think you should put much stock in these things. China regularly conducts military exercises with Russia and have been doing so for a while. They have had similar naval drills in 2013 and 2012. A number of previous exercises have occurred since 2003, sometimes as part of Shanghai Cooperation Organization exercises. For the most part, Russia's incorporation into the SCO was more about assuaging Russian fears of China encroaching on Central Asia. As is their wont with Beijing, the Russians have repeatedly attempted to assume a leadership role in the organization and swing it further into their orbit by bringing its traditional ally India, much to China's chagrin.

    As it stands, China has no interests warranting intervention on the side of Russia and they are not going to intervene just because Russia wants them to help. I personally imagine that the Chinese would face minimal opposition from the United States were it to seize the South China Sea, East China Sea, or Taiwan. For one, in all but the East China Sea case, Beijing has incredibly strong territorial claims. With the South China Sea the only party with a fairly legitimate contesting claim is Vietnam and, while the U.S. may well favor Vietnam over China, they are unlikely to do much to help the Vietnamese in their dispute. The Philippines is part of the dispute and a long-standing U.S. client state, but their claim is more limited and far less legitimate. Additionally, only in Taiwan would any conflict be likely to see significant military activity as the South China Sea and East China Sea islands are all rather small and mostly unoccupied. Yet, even there it is likely China already has the capacity to completely obliterate Taiwan's military capabilities and cordon off the island, blocking any potential American intervention.

    By contrast, China and the U.S. have many core aligning interests such as in Pakistan and Korea. Although China has some ties with Iran, they are actually much closer with the Arab nations in the region to say nothing of their very close relationship with Israel. There are also much broader economic ties between China and the U.S. than either country has with Russia. I remember when Erin Burnett said several years back how China was probably America's greatest friend to some confused looks, but I would say she nailed it. Most other countries are basically just client states or protectorates of the American Empire, while with China there is some equal footing at present. It is not without rivalry or hostility, but the environment is much more conducive to continued cooperation than renewed opposition. To some extent it was inevitable, though it is as much credit to George W. Bush's handling of diplomacy. Obama has probably done more to worsen ties, though not enough to imperil the relationship.

    Russia should be doing more to make China happy as continuing along their current path is more likely to cause a break than a partnership and Russia cannot risk China siding with the U.S. and EU. Doing so would require a change in Russia's traditional attitude towards China, though, and I am not sure they can manage it.
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