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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    doubt it. As much as we may be on the hook as far as debt to china, they are far far more on the hook economically as dependents on our spending to keep their economy afloat. Their only out would be to sell to Europe and any future conflict will have Europe on our side.
    Some people are just wayyyyyy too confident. The U.S. is on the hook directly for a great deal more than debt held by China. Surely you have heard of Lenovo and maybe you have heard of Smithfield Foods and its new owners. Let us not get into all the direct exposure of American companies like McDonald's, Wal*Mart, and various American auto companies who are selling American products and services to a growing Chinese consumer market. Do I even need to get into all the indirect exposure? What do you think happens with Japan, the U.K., or Australia if China's economy suffers? Exactly how well do you think the U.S. can fare with all that going on around it? Face it, China and the U.S. are stuck together now. There is no going back on it. Any chance to have a successful war with China passed a long time ago.

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    The U.S. Navy has also conducted at-sea drills with the Russian fleet in the past. As a Navy vet, this doesn't come as a surprise to me. However, we should be very careful as the geo-political atmosphere is very different from what it was nearly 15 years ago. China may not have sided with NKor during their recent military posturing against the U.S., but they very well may side w/Russia if conditions are ripe.

    Be very careful indeed.
    If the U.S. attacked Russia without provocation then there is a possibility that China would side with Russia, but I don't consider that likely.
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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

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    Some people are just wayyyyyy too confident. The U.S. is on the hook directly for a great deal more than debt held by China. Surely you have heard of Lenovo and maybe you have heard of Smithfield Foods and its new owners. Let us not get into all the direct exposure of American companies like McDonald's, Wal*Mart, and various American auto companies who are selling American products and services to a growing Chinese consumer market. Do I even need to get into all the indirect exposure? What do you think happens with Japan, the U.K., or Australia if China's economy suffers? Exactly how well do you think the U.S. can fare with all that going on around it? Face it, China and the U.S. are stuck together now. There is no going back on it. Any chance to have a successful war with China passed a long time ago.



    If the U.S. attacked Russia without provocation then there is a possibility that China would side with Russia, but I don't consider that likely.
    The trade deficit with China is so massively in their favor there is no way they will jeopardize it. But panicked if you must.
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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    This surprises me not at all.

    America (apparently) encourages the Ukraine rebels to overthrow their leader (or at least, does nothing to discourage it), Ukraine is thrown into turmoil, the country starts to break apart, Russia jumps at the chance to get some old territory back, America/EU vilifies the Russians - start sanctions...on and on.

    The Neocons and/or those that run the Military Industrial Complex must be starting to drool right about now.
    Blaming al queda for everything was getting stale with the public...time to bring in a new enemy for America...a Russo-Chinese alliance.

    I am not saying Neocons planned all this (I doubt the did). But I think once they saw a crack emerge in Kiev, they did everything they could to force that crack wide open.
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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The trade deficit with China is so massively in their favor there is no way they will jeopardize it. But panicked if you must.
    I am not panicked as I do not think China would move against the U.S. either. However, I also am not going to make the suggestion that somehow China is doomed without America as though somehow America would be fine. China is now far too important to the global economy for any country to seriously consider waging war against it and China has little interest in waging any wars except to defend itself and its territory.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This surprises me not at all.

    America (apparently) encourages the Ukraine rebels to overthrow their leader (or at least, does nothing to discourage it), Ukraine is thrown into turmoil, the country starts to break apart, Russia jumps at the chance to get some old territory back, America/EU vilifies the Russians - start sanctions...on and on.

    The Neocons and/or those that run the Military Industrial Complex must be starting to drool right about now.
    Blaming al queda for everything was getting stale with the public...time to bring in a new enemy for America...a Russo-Chinese alliance.

    I am not saying Neocons planned all this (I doubt the did). But I think once they saw a crack emerge in Kiev, they did everything they could to force that crack wide open.
    While I have no doubt the same people who have been playing up Sino-Russian ties for decades will continue playing them up, the notion is little more than propaganda.
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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    While I have no doubt the same people who have been playing up Sino-Russian ties for decades will continue playing them up, the notion is little more than propaganda.
    Here's a little blast from the past. China is also moving into Central America. Costa Rica

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's a little blast from the past. China is also moving into Central America. Costa Rica
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    Why China is buying up the US- MSN Money

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    The story behind the story I linked to is that the Chinese are planning a link through Nicaragua to compete with the Panama Canal but with much higher tonnage capability. That's why the border dispute with Costa Rica, and Russian interest also. Americans should be right on top of this but it's never mentioned, as far as I know.

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