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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

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    Barrack Obama has made the Chinese feel threatened?

    The only people Obama has turned on is a video maker in California, a preacher in Florida and a rancher in Nevada. He fainted when Benghazi was attacked.

    I doubt that the Chinese are much concerned about a punk like Barry Obama.
    Barry certainly is the figure head, but only someone who is naive would believe he is alone in formulating foreign policy.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Barry certainly is the figure head, but only someone who is naive would believe he is alone in formulating foreign policy.
    Yes, the other would be Ben Rhodes.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Barrack Obama has made the Chinese feel threatened?

    The only people Obama has turned on is a video maker in California, a preacher in Florida and a rancher in Nevada. He fainted when Benghazi was attacked.

    I doubt that the Chinese are much concerned about a punk like Barry Obama.
    Tell that to Osama bin Laden. Oops, you can't. He is dead.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Tell that to Osama bin Laden. Oops, you can't. He is dead.
    Oh so you feel that the killing of Osama Bin Laden is what makes the Chinese nervous?

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Such exercises do not represent anything new. They have occurred in the past under the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, of which Russia and China are members. The members are: China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Oh so you feel that the killing of Osama Bin Laden is what makes the Chinese nervous?
    No, but you said "The only people Obama has turned on is a video maker in California, a preacher in Florida and a rancher in Nevada. He fainted when Benghazi was attacked." Obviously, you are wrong; like I said, you forgot about bin Laden. And the "fainted when Benghazi was attacked" is partisan talk that nobody cares about, except for the right wing fringe who wouldn't vote for Obama anyway. The pathetic effort to make of this non-story something electorally decisive will fail again once Hillary stomps whoever the GOP runs against her.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Does this mean that Russia and China will join forces in a future military conflict?
    doubt it. As much as we may be on the hook as far as debt to china, they are far far more on the hook economically as dependents on our spending to keep their economy afloat. Their only out would be to sell to Europe and any future conflict will have Europe on our side.
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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Oh so you feel that the killing of Osama Bin Laden is what makes the Chinese nervous?
    What would make China nervous would be their cold, hard analysis rather than Right wingnut partisan hackery.

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    The bonds of cooperation, respect and comradeship between Russia and China reach deep into history.

    These bonds are literally miles wide...

    and a coat of paint deep.

    China and Russia have mutual interests and mutual conflict. Both see the USofA as an over reaching Hegemon that needs to be pushed back away from both countries' borders. The Senkaku Island dispute is a left over from the Cold War- little of Japan's other Imperial claims are upheld but since china is 'commie'...

    fact is we wouldn't sit still if China supported Mexico's claim for California's off shore Islands, the Chinese are not going to continue allowing other nations to claim islands so close to their coastline.

    Back to the loving bonds of mutual respect China and Russia have... those are about as real as 'Reality' TV's Bachelor romances.

    Fact is Far East Siberia will be a hot spot for Russia and China. China still feels the far east was 'stolen' from them. Chinese immigrants are flooding into the Far East as traders and workers, the Chinese are beginning to outnumber ethnic Russians who are leaving the region after the collapse of the USSR. Could be Russia is feeling it's own version of our southern border- the challenge being can Russia absorb the Chinese and have the immigrants support Russian policy so far from Moscow.

    Right now Putin needs to distract the USofA, and while China isn't a real threat Russia doesn't have a large number of powerful allies to select from.

    The USofA gains nothing by opposing claims made by the Chinese in the- and read this slowly... in the South CHINA Sea. The more we push back the larger the chance of regional conflict that does nothing to stabilize the region, protect USofA interests and increases the chances many more Americans die so far from our borders.

    Putin is playing checkers... this isn't a masterful chess move... more like a desperate attempt to get a few CON tongues wagging...

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    Re: China to conduct naval drills with Russia in East China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I don't think you should put much stock in these things. China regularly conducts military exercises with Russia and have been doing so for a while. They have had similar naval drills in 2013 and 2012. A number of previous exercises have occurred since 2003, sometimes as part of Shanghai Cooperation Organization exercises. For the most part, Russia's incorporation into the SCO was more about assuaging Russian fears of China encroaching on Central Asia. As is their wont with Beijing, the Russians have repeatedly attempted to assume a leadership role in the organization and swing it further into their orbit by bringing its traditional ally India, much to China's chagrin.

    As it stands, China has no interests warranting intervention on the side of Russia and they are not going to intervene just because Russia wants them to help. I personally imagine that the Chinese would face minimal opposition from the United States were it to seize the South China Sea, East China Sea, or Taiwan. For one, in all but the East China Sea case, Beijing has incredibly strong territorial claims. With the South China Sea the only party with a fairly legitimate contesting claim is Vietnam and, while the U.S. may well favor Vietnam over China, they are unlikely to do much to help the Vietnamese in their dispute. The Philippines is part of the dispute and a long-standing U.S. client state, but their claim is more limited and far less legitimate. Additionally, only in Taiwan would any conflict be likely to see significant military activity as the South China Sea and East China Sea islands are all rather small and mostly unoccupied. Yet, even there it is likely China already has the capacity to completely obliterate Taiwan's military capabilities and cordon off the island, blocking any potential American intervention.

    By contrast, China and the U.S. have many core aligning interests such as in Pakistan and Korea. Although China has some ties with Iran, they are actually much closer with the Arab nations in the region to say nothing of their very close relationship with Israel. There are also much broader economic ties between China and the U.S. than either country has with Russia. I remember when Erin Burnett said several years back how China was probably America's greatest friend to some confused looks, but I would say she nailed it. Most other countries are basically just client states or protectorates of the American Empire, while with China there is some equal footing at present. It is not without rivalry or hostility, but the environment is much more conducive to continued cooperation than renewed opposition. To some extent it was inevitable, though it is as much credit to George W. Bush's handling of diplomacy. Obama has probably done more to worsen ties, though not enough to imperil the relationship.

    Russia should be doing more to make China happy as continuing along their current path is more likely to cause a break than a partnership and Russia cannot risk China siding with the U.S. and EU. Doing so would require a change in Russia's traditional attitude towards China, though, and I am not sure they can manage it.
    The U.S. Navy has also conducted at-sea drills with the Russian fleet in the past. As a Navy vet, this doesn't come as a surprise to me. However, we should be very careful as the geo-political atmosphere is very different from what it was nearly 15 years ago. China may not have sided with NKor during their recent military posturing against the U.S., but they very well may side w/Russia if conditions are ripe.

    Be very careful indeed.
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