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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I never did those things but did do the fake rope across the road thing, placed dead fish behind hubcaps/wheel covers or let the air out of tires (by removing the valve stem core). The idea was always to make mischief without risking the police getting involved. Some went a bit further like using antifreeze to write on lawns and draping toilet paper over trees/bushes or relocating lawn decorations/furniture (swapping them between homes) but not anything irreversible or costly to clean up/fix.
    Exactly. And when caught we just had to clean up. Because no real damage had been done, no police or possible court charges as consequence.

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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    They should be required to pay for all damaged items, and do all of the labor to clean up everything they messed up. THEN they should have to do some sort of community service. No jail, no court, no records. It might have started out as a prank, but it went too far with breaking and entering, and destruction of property.
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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    They should be required to pay for all damaged items, and do all of the labor to clean up everything they messed up. THEN they should have to do some sort of community service. No jail, no court, no records. It might have started out as a prank, but it went too far with breaking and entering, and destruction of property.
    That is an odd suggestion - eliminate due process and have ??? require these presumed innocent folks to pay a fine and engage in slave labor. Perhaps, what you really mean is that a wise judge would accept a guilty plea deal in exchange for a "probation before judgement" decision if, and only if, those restitution actions are taken and documented.
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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is an odd suggestion - eliminate due process and have ??? require these presumed innocent folks to pay a fine and engage in slave labor. Perhaps, what you really mean is that a wise judge would accept a guilty plea deal in exchange for a "probation before judgement" decision if. and only if, those restitution actions are taken and documented.
    I read that mistakenly originally. There is a middle ground where the court decides, if certain conditions are met, the case goes away. Leaving no record for the kids to have to live with afterwards.

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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is an odd suggestion - eliminate due process and have ??? require these presumed innocent folks to pay a fine and engage in slave labor. Perhaps, what you really mean is that a wise judge would accept a guilty plea deal in exchange for a "probation before judgement" decision if, and only if, those restitution actions are taken and documented.
    If you feel this needs to go to court and be on these kids records that is fine. I personally have been caught after a prank, and I'm thankful that I was given the option of cleaning up the mess. I have also caught kids spray painting graffiti on the wall outside of a club I was managing. I gave them the choice of calling the police, or paying for the materials to clean up the mess and do the labor of cleaning. Guess which they chose?
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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I read that mistakenly originally. There is a middle ground where the court decides, if certain conditions are met, the case goes away. Leaving no record for the kids to have to live with afterwards.
    A juvenile record is not widely accessible and will act as a reminder that future mayhem, as a juvenile, will exact a higher cost as you are then a repeat offender. Allowing crimes to slide is not wise, sometimes "tough love" leaves a mark.
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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    1. As a senior class, these "kids" are all at least 16 and so responsible for their own actions. Unless a parent or parents actively participated or facilitated, the punishment is all on the kids.

    2. They should be charged with any crimes that the law allows. It will be up to judges to determine suitable punishment, upon conviction - it should not be determined by the local police. Should the police refuse to act, the school/board should file suit against each of them and should also look to have the local police lay charges.

    3. The school themselves are perfectly within their power to suspend or expel the students and deny them their diplomas and certification of graduation. Make them attend another school, preferably in another jurisdiction, and waste another year graduating. The incidents should also appear in the school records so that any college or university they wish to apply to will know what they're getting into.

    I say all of this because we have a distinct trend in young people today - not all, but a good chunk - who have zero respect for other's property and no sense of right and wrong - they need to be taught a lesson so that their behaviour may be modified before it becomes too late.
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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    If you feel this needs to go to court and be on these kids records that is fine. I personally have been caught after a prank, and I'm thankful that I was given the option of cleaning up the mess. I have also caught kids spray painting graffiti on the wall outside of a club I was managing. I gave them the choice of calling the police, or paying for the materials to clean up the mess and do the labor of cleaning. Guess which they chose?
    The bolded above could be seen as extortion. I have no objection to an option, but at the discretion of the judge. The flaw in your idea of offering a choice, off the record, is who will see to it that the promises are followed up with actions?
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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bolded above could be seen as extortion. I have no objection to an option, but at the discretion of the judge. The flaw in your idea of offering a choice, off the record, is who will see to it that the promises are followed up with actions?
    In that case I made sure the promises were followed up on. I sent an employee to buy the materials while I sat there with the kids. I sat there and watched them clean up the mess. If they decided that they didn't want to clean, I would have called the police to deal with it.

    In the school case they could have a janitor or even the principal oversee the clean up, those that didn't want to help could be turned over to the police.
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    Re: High school senior class prank leads to 62 arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    In that case I made sure the promises were followed up on. I sent an employee to buy the materials while I sat there with the kids. I sat there and watched them clean up the mess. If they decided that they didn't want to clean, I would have called the police to deal with it.

    In the school case they could have a janitor or even the principal oversee the clean up, those that didn't want to help could be turned over to the police.
    Holding them where in the mean time? This does not sound like an hour or two cleaning effort would make things right.
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