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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Then the state should also disallow fraudulent Easter ceremonies.
    What legally binding contract is made from an Easter celebration?

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Then the state should also disallow fraudulent Easter ceremonies.
    Easter services are not legally recognized in the first place, so the analogy does not hold.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    wonder how much he would appreciate a state law that said one must receive a state issued license to attend church ... and those with strong conservative views are prohibited from receiving such license
    There's no such thing as invalid Church attendance, so the analogy does not hold.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    That is the point, these are purely ceremonial and not legal.
    The point is, if the church wants to keep it's tax-exempt status, including tax-free income and tax-free lands, they have to play by the rules. If a church wants to do whatever it wants, that's fine, they can, but they have to start paying taxes.

    My mother's church dropped tax-exempt status so that they could officially endorse or oppose political candidates. If this church feels so strongly on SSM, they should likewise drop their tax-exempt status and do as they please.

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    Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Copy of The Question Behind The Question By: John G. Miller by Ryan McHale on Prezi

    Ministers don't have that right to begin with.

    That's what has to be created, a religious right to legalize a marriage.
    The church isnt wanting to conduct a legal marriage, just a religous ceremony. After the ceremony, all parties concerned still will know that a legal marriage wasnt conducted.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What legally binding contract is made from an Easter celebration?
    And the marriages they want to conduct arent a legal binding contract either, they are purely religous.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Easter services are not legally recognized in the first place, so the analogy does not hold.



    There's no such thing as invalid Church attendance, so the analogy does not hold.
    And the marriages they want to conduct arent legally recognized either, they are purely religous.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The point is, if the church wants to keep it's tax-exempt status, including tax-free income and tax-free lands, they have to play by the rules. If a church wants to do whatever it wants, that's fine, they can, but they have to start paying taxes.

    My mother's church dropped tax-exempt status so that they could officially endorse or oppose political candidates. If this church feels so strongly on SSM, they should likewise drop their tax-exempt status and do as they please.
    They are not telling people how to vote, they are merely doing a purely religous/non-legal ceremony.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Contraception is evil, so the analogy does not hold.
    They don't have to agree with the law, they just have to follow it remember? Now you are moving the goal posts. Pathetic.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    They are not telling people how to vote, they are merely doing a purely religous/non-legal ceremony.
    I don't personally agree with their SSM ban, imo any relationship which is not otherwise harmful should be allowed, but the state has the right to withdraw support from institutions who engage in undesired behavior of any kind. The state cannot stop you, but they can remove their support.

    It's not the performance of the wedding itself which is the crime, it's braking the terms of the 501c3 which is the crime. If the church drops it's tax exempt status, which means it would no longer be legally recognized as a church, which means it's clergy would no longer be legally seen as 'ministers', they can do whatever they want.

    The church can do as it pleases, but not while being tax-exempt. That's what this is about, doing what it wants while not paying taxes, and they're willing to establish a religious right to legalize marriage in order to keep their money.

    This is just another way for the Church to snake it's way into our government.
    Last edited by Jerry; 04-30-14 at 03:47 PM.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The state has the right to withdraw support from institutions who engage in undesired behavior of any kind. The state cannot stop you, but they can remove their support.

    If the church drops it's tax exempt status, which means it would no longer be legally recognized as a church, which means it's clergy would no longer be legally seen as 'ministers', they can do whatever they want.

    The church can do as it pleases, but not while being tax-exempt. That's what this is about, doing what it wants while not paying taxes, and they're willing to establish a religious right to legalize marriage in order to keep their money.
    Go back to you posting the law, it is illegal for anybody who happens to be authorized to conduct a legal marriage ceremony to conduct a non-legal marriage. The tax exempt status doesnt matter. If that happens to be a minister in his own church, that is violating the 1st Ammendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

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