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    Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I've said this a million times already - the government should play no role in marriage.

    Marriage should be completely secular from government.
    Do you mean 'separate' from govt?

    Cuz then I completely agree.
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    Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I've said this a million times already - the government should play no role in marriage.

    Marriage should be completely secular from government.
    And has been explained many times, nothing is gained from separating the state from 'marriage.' From the point of view of government, it's a VOLUNTARY act, nothing more than a couple signing a contract that appends to it by act of law the hundreds of rights, benefits, and responsibilities decided on by the state. It's a convenience, for the couple, lenders, employers, the couple's children, and many more. What purpose does eliminating state recognition of 'marriage' serve, except to appease the ideological preferences of those opposed to all things "government?"

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    IMO, it would be impossible to have more than one God.... Don't you think if there was more than one God they would get into fights from time to time?

    Obviously I have no evidence that they would, but being human and observing human behavior I would expect that would be an issue amongst Gods..

    This can be taken as satire or literally - neither would bother me, considering I find the idea funny myself...
    Even if they did get into fights, so what?

    Or maybe they have different areas of control. Like each has a galaxy, or perhaps each has something they deal with (sort of like the gods of many polytheistic cultures).

    And I'm not trying to say that this isn't a possible theory, only that I don't see why it would matter if there were multiple gods that did fight somewhere we don't know about.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do you mean 'separate' from govt?

    Cuz then I completely agree.
    I suppose it all depends on what you believe marriage is about.... If "separate" satisfies you then sure.

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    Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And has been explained many times, nothing is gained from separating the state from 'marriage.' From the point of view of government, it's a VOLUNTARY act, nothing more than a couple signing a contract that appends to it by act of law the hundreds of rights, benefits, and responsibilities decided on by the state. It's a convenience, for the couple, lenders, employers, the couple's children, and many more. What purpose does eliminating state recognition of 'marriage' serve, except to appease the ideological preferences of those opposed to all things "government?"
    I'm a Catholic and I understand the First Amendment and the state shouldn't be acting as a Church.

    Unions are unions and marriages are marriages.

    Marriages are endorsed by the Church and unions are endorsed by the state.

    Now does the government have the right to takeover the Churches duty - especially in a period of time when the First Amendment is being debated with such negativity.

    My position on this issue to solve all these problems is for the state to stay out of marriage entirely.

    Besides, what business does the state have with your marriage anyways?

    Taxes codes can easily be amended and so can living wills or wills in general.

    If it was done my way "gay marriage" er "civil unions" wouldn't even be a debate.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Even if they did get into fights, so what?

    Or maybe they have different areas of control. Like each has a galaxy, or perhaps each has something they deal with (sort of like the gods of many polytheistic cultures).

    And I'm not trying to say that this isn't a possible theory, only that I don't see why it would matter if there were multiple gods that did fight somewhere we don't know about.
    Well, this is certainly a fun debate as far as a singular vs plural Gods but in reality (and I say this loosely because this theory is highly debatable) but quantum and or theoretical physics contradicts the idea that there are multiple "Gods" - it doesn't disprove the idea either.

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    Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I suppose it all depends on what you believe marriage is about.... If "separate" satisfies you then sure.
    Well any interest the govt has in marriage is secular.
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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well, this is certainly a fun debate as far as a singular vs plural Gods but in reality (and I say this loosely because this theory is highly debatable) but quantum and or theoretical physics contradicts the idea that there are multiple "Gods" - it doesn't disprove the idea either.
    I maintain that there isn't any evidence available either for or against either just one god or multiple gods. But that's okay. It isn't like believing in multiple gods or just one god or no god can actually be proven to harm anyone in and of itself.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm a Catholic and I understand the First Amendment and the state shouldn't be acting as a Church.

    Unions are unions and marriages are marriages.

    Marriages are endorsed by the Church and unions are endorsed by the state.

    Now does the government have the right to takeover the Churches duty - especially in a period of time when the First Amendment is being debated with such negativity.

    My position on this issue to solve all these problems is for the state to stay out of marriage entirely.

    Besides, what business does the state have with your marriage anyways?

    Taxes codes can easily be amended and so can living wills or wills in general.

    If it was done my way "gay marriage" er "civil unions" wouldn't even be a debate.
    No churches, nor religions own marriages. They don't own the word or its definition. The secular government can be just as involved and even use the word marriage as churches/religions are. My marriage is pretty much secular and yet I refuse to call it anything but a marriage eventhough we did not go through a religious entity for it.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I maintain that there isn't any evidence available either for or against either just one god or multiple gods. But that's okay. It isn't like believing in multiple gods or just one god or no god can actually be proven to harm anyone in and of itself.
    Maybe the belief in God(s) stem from an idea that God has many traits as a humans (or a personality) and could be construed as different entities? that isn't my belief but it makes some sort of sense.

    I know God or God(s) in theology are supposed to be perfect but what if God isn't?

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