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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Wow, I didnt know the suit was for all that. I definately support it. It is going against every law NC has that prohibits SSM.
    From the PDF of the complaint

    http://uccfiles.com/pdf/complaint.pdf

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    91. If a minister conducts any marriage ceremony between same-sex couples, he or she is guilty of a crime:
    Guess that pretty much spells out that NC is violating Religious liberty.
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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    I have not looked it up, but it seems to me a year or so ago Fox had an outrage about Obama supposedly telling Church's they would have to have services for SSM. Oh, the outrage, the goobermitn takin over the chruchs. I have not heard a word of this yet on Fox. I will siee if I can find the outrage story.
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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    From the PDF of the complaint

    http://uccfiles.com/pdf/complaint.pdf

    #91

    Guess that pretty much spells out that NC is violating Religious liberty.
    While I agree with you, what you wrote is in the court suit not and it isnt the exact wording of the law.. The actual law could be interpreted different. I hope something good comes from the suit but we have to wait and see how everything is decided.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...-weddings.html

    "Religious liberty groups are blasting a proposed ordinance that would force churches in Hutchinson, Kan. to rent their facilities for gay weddings and gay parties."
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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    I'm sorry but if a religious group no longer supports the religious tenants of said group, aren't they just another religion? I'm not sure what these clowns are asking for? If they don't want to be tied to the religious guidelines of their parent religion, then don't? You can branch out brothers and sisters. Make up your own religion.. What's so difficult to understand here? We believe in Jesus, and the United Church of Jesus, but we also believe in gay marriage, so would you like to join us, or are you going to leave us on religious grounds?

    Freaking joke.. Why is this even news and why and to whom are they suing? The NC ban doesn't prevent ANY religion from performing gay marriages. It only states that they are not recognized by the state.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I'm sorry but if a religious group no longer supports the religious tenants of said group, aren't they just another religion? I'm not sure what these clowns are asking for? If they don't want to be tied to the religious guidelines of their parent religion, then don't? You can branch out brothers and sisters. Make up your own religion.. What's so difficult to understand here? We believe in Jesus, and the United Church of Jesus, but we also believe in gay marriage, so would you like to join us, or are you going to leave us on religious grounds?

    Freaking joke.. Why is this even news and why and to whom are they suing? The NC ban doesn't prevent ANY religion from performing gay marriages. It only states that they are not recognized by the state.

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    No, actually, the law says a minister can be fined for officiating at a wedding where no marriage certificate is present. This would include a same-sex marriage ceremony that the state doesn't recognize.
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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Freaking joke.. Why is this even news and why and to whom are they suing? The NC ban doesn't prevent ANY religion from performing gay marriages. It only states that they are not recognized by the state.
    Did you read the article?

    Yes. It is ILLEGAL for a priest to perform a private, non-state recognized, religious ceremony of marriage between two individuals of the same sex if they also have the ability to solemnize a normal marriage.

    It's making news, because the State has made a religious ceremony illegal.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Did you read the article?

    Yes. It is ILLEGAL for a priest to perform a private, non-state recognized, religious ceremony of marriage between two individuals of the same sex if they also have the ability to solemnize a normal marriage.

    It's making news, because the State has made a religious ceremony illegal.

    Well shoot I saw the 11 plus pages and decided not to read it all.. Blushes and apologizes..

    Well what the hell is the state thinking? How silly a law is that?

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I have not looked it up, but it seems to me a year or so ago Fox had an outrage about Obama supposedly telling Church's they would have to have services for SSM. Oh, the outrage, the goobermitn takin over the chruchs. I have not heard a word of this yet on Fox. I will siee if I can find the outrage story.
    Yeah when i said on the "demotion" thread of the gay reporter on foxnews that the network was often homophobic (whether that particular story was true or not), someone came in all "that's not true at all, i wouldn't be watching if that's true." Somehow i knew that's BS and ignored

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...-weddings.html

    "Religious liberty groups are blasting a proposed ordinance that would force churches in Hutchinson, Kan. to rent their facilities for gay weddings and gay parties."
    Which really isn't the same as forcing a religion to perform a wedding ceremony/service. Those facilities are being rented out already to the public. Their ministers are not being "sold"/"rented" for their services for those ceremonies. I'm pretty sure most churches do not rent out their actual churches for such events normally (at least not the general public as a whole), but rather simply other facilities that the church owns.

    It's like this, can churches refuse to rent their buildings out to interracial couples or couples of a specific different religion or atheists even for such events? If not, then there is no reason that they should be allowed to refuse to rent their buildings out to same sex couples when those buildings are being offered to the public for rental for events. Don't like it, don't own buildings that you are planning on renting out to the public if any part of that "public" will come into conflict with your religious beliefs. They are free to choose to only rent their facilities to parishioners of the church, and not the general public.

    Adding to this: that ordinance was overturned by the voters anyway later that year (most likely due in no small part to a lot of that misinformation in the posted article).
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