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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A marriage contract, isuued and made legal by an attorney would have to be recognized by the government.
    And would cost more and be much more inconvenient than it is now.

    And the laws could still just as easily restrict recognition (especially full recognition) of those contracts for individuals as they currently do for the marriage contract now. The difference would be less protective laws against discrimination when it comes to marriage. Plus, it would cost a whole lot more for no benefit.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The church should be able to perform SSM ceremonies, but the fact that their religion supports it doesn't mean the government should. If people don't want religion defining marriage then you have to have it both ways with it being left up to the people, not having a bias where religion is allowed to dictate government policy and recognition when it happens to be convenient for your views.
    No you don't. The people are variant on their views. It only takes looking at the very institution of marriage as a legal contract to see this, given all the changes we have seen over time in regards to marriage. That is why the base majority's opinion when it comes to marriage must be limited by the US Constitution. Currently, laws that restrict marriage based on sex/gender violate that Constitution.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you admit you are for rape then, because stopping a rape would be impeding procreation. Thank you, that's all I needed to know about you. You're dismissed son.
    Rape is illicit, so stopping it at any point is justifiable, even if it will result indirectly in a contraceptive effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It is a possible end. It is not universally true, nor is it required. Do you think it should be illegal for a married couple to have sex if they were infertile?



    Exactly. Having sex for pleasure does not impede procreation. Therefore sodomy does not impede procreation.


    And it is in the nature of man to have sex for fun.
    An infertile couple is not intentionally impeding or procreation, or doing anything that is inherently non-reproductive.

    Sodomy is, by nature, incapable of producing children.

    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a natural consequence, but a much more frequent one is bonding. And there is no necessity that sex must be for or result in procreation.

    Do you understand the difference between objective and subjective? Because it does not seem like you do. Objectivity requires some proof, evidence, facts. Subjectivity is opinion, beliefs. Morals are subjective because it is a personal opinion of what is right or wrong, which is why so many people have so many differing beliefs on what is right or wrong.
    But procreation is the reason, biologically, why sex exists, is it not?

    Just answer the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter, both have the same result and both are the person's individual choice.
    It does matter.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The church should be able to perform SSM ceremonies, but the fact that their religion supports it doesn't mean the government should. If people don't want religion defining marriage then you have to have it both ways with it being left up to the people, not having a bias where religion is allowed to dictate government policy and recognition when it happens to be convenient for your views.
    what you have proposed is a Christian version of sharia law
    where the religious beliefs of the majority are imposed upon the minority
    think about it
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Rape is illicit, so stopping it at any point is justifiable, even if it will result indirectly in a contraceptive effect.



    An infertile couple is not intentionally impeding or procreation, or doing anything that is inherently non-reproductive.

    Sodomy is, by nature, incapable of producing children.

    No.



    But procreation is the reason, biologically, why sex exists, is it not?

    Just answer the question.



    It does matter.
    Sex has many purposes. We could easily have developed to reproduce like some other species such as birds or fish without sex. Sex though encourages bonding and relationships, which in turn gives our species an evolutionary advantage. Bonding is truly the main purpose of sex. Procreation can easily occur without sex (as is proven through other species). But intercourse encourages bonding, which encourages stronger family ties.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Telling a minister they cant perform a ceremony in their own church is also a violation. Everyone else covered by the law is irrevelant because a violation of Freedom of Religion is what the lawsuit is about.
    This lawsuit is about creating a religious right to legalize marriage. The church is asking for a special right, to join church and state. If the church wants to perform illegal weddings then they can surrender their legal ability to solemnize any marriage just like everyone else.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Sex has many purposes. We could easily have developed to reproduce like some other species such as birds or fish without sex. Sex though encourages bonding and relationships, which in turn gives our species an evolutionary advantage. Bonding is truly the main purpose of sex. Procreation can easily occur without sex (as is proven through other species). But intercourse encourages bonding, which encourages stronger family ties.
    But procreation is the purpose, biologically, why sex exists, is it not?

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This lawsuit is about creating a religious right to legalize marriage. The church is asking for a special right, to join church and state. If the church wants to perform illegal weddings then they can surrender their legal ability to solemnize any marriage just like everyone else.
    No, they are not. They are asking that they be allowed to perform marriage ceremonies like any other state that doesn't have SSM as being legal.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    But procreation is the purpose, biologically, why sex exists, is it not?
    No that is not the ONLY purpose. She explained it above as well.

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    Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    But procreation is the purpose, biologically, why sex exists, is it not?
    No, it isn't. As I've said, other species exist without ever having sexual intercourse. They reproduce differently than us. And those species thrived long before mammals came along, and many still do. Bonding is the reason sex exists.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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