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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

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    Your concession by default is accepted.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

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    Thanks for making it absolutely clear that you can't mount an intelligent response.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

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    Bet you're a fan of Che Guevara.
    Not really, I don't like communists. Stop trolling.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You're being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe you can't see or don't understand any difference between the Revolutionary War and the situation around Bundy's ranch.

    In other words youre just a troll right now
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    Bet you're a fan of Che Guevara.
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    Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flowKnock it off you two. Stick to the topic, which incidentally is not about each other.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You don't have the right to seek out and attempt to create a situation where you are compelled to kill someone to save your own life, thats what you're not understanding.
    I don't claim such a right. That's what you're not understanding. I don't do only those things I have a right to do. I can also choose to do things I think I can get away with, or am willing to accept the consequences for, rather I have a right to do it or no.

    If I chose to act as so described, I would do it in such a way I could get away with it, and be willing to accept the consequences if I didn't. As it happens I have no love for either side, and so I'll take no action, but not because I have no right.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-03-14 at 02:38 AM.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, without a bunch of rich (racist) gentleman farmers to lend it some credibility....it's just a bunch of dopes with guns, eh?
    AJivemans definitions;

    Farmer = sod buster

    Rancher = cowboy

    Dopes = Clyde Bundy, anti government zealots

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Thanks for making it absolutely clear that you can't mount an intelligent response.
    I'm just illustrating the absurdity of your statements. For example that "tax evasion" is not a basis for revolution. You really need to get a grasp on US history.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, without a bunch of rich (racist) gentleman farmers to lend it some credibility....it's just a bunch of dopes with guns, eh?
    Their respective causes lend them credibility, or in this case, fail to. Bundy supporters have thus far failed to make any sort of credible argument as to why the government is in the wrong. Referring back to the founders as some sort of crutch just won't cut it.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm just illustrating the absurdity of your statements. For example that "tax evasion" is not a basis for revolution. You really need to get a grasp on US history.
    I understand history quite well. And I stand by the obvious moral axiom that facilitating tax evasion is not sufficient grounds for just rebellion.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I understand history quite well. And I stand by the obvious moral axiom that facilitating tax evasion is not sufficient grounds for just rebellion.
    Then you're ignoring the historical precedent of Americans opposition to taxes, and the lengths they'll go to respond, among other things.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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