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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Is there any footage of the roadblocks? Not saying it isn't true...

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    "....we are not to pull over civilians without, you know, reasonable cause...."



    There have been serious threats made already, including a bomb threat.

    Making a police report or any other noticeable fuss may just get them killed.

    No wonder why they aren't complaining.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If an armed non-LEO civilian stops me under threat of lethal force, yes, that's exactly how it works.

    These 'militia's are not militias no matter what they name themselves, since they don't have proper authority. They're just armed protesters, little better than street gangs.
    I totally agree they aren't legit at all in any sense of the word and should be busted up, but you can't take that authority into your own hands. You would be charged with murder if you knowingly sought out someone with the purpose of engaging them in a lethal exchange, even if you provoke them into attacking first or provoked them into trying to illegally detain you. At best you'd be charged with vigilantism, which is a crime, at at worst you could be charged with first degree murder because here you are conspiring to kill someone

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I totally agree they aren't legit at all in any sense of the word and should be busted up, but you can't take that authority into your own hands. You would be charged with murder if you knowingly sought out someone with the purpose of engaging them in a lethal exchange, even if you provoke them into attacking first or provoked them into trying to illegally detain you. At best you'd be charged with vigilantism, which is a crime, at at worst you could be charged with first degree murder because here you are conspiring to kill someone
    I retain the right and authority to defend myself from illegitimate armed militia stopping me on the road. That is, in fact, the very reason why I carry in the first place. Road rage, gangs, riots...killing these people is why we have the 2nd Amendment; defending delinquent ranchers is not.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    The political fall-out from these 'militia' is going to be huge. We can expect sweeping gun control after the election.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Concerns growing about militia members at Bundy ranch - 8 News NOW

    So like I said in other topics about this developing story, its gone beyond the unpaid fees for gazing on Federal land and turned into a question of whether or not we are going to allow an active insurgency to operate within this country.

    Also, is it more ironic or sad that these folks who claim to want freedom are acting in exactly the manner of an authoritarian?
    This country was created by an armed insurgency.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Case in point. More ad hominem attacks.
    That high horse is looking like a donkey without an argument. When you're ready to tell us if you have a right to freeload, you're welcome to come back.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I retain the right and authority to defend myself from illegitimate armed militia stopping me on the road. That is, in fact, the very reason why I carry in the first place. Road rage, gangs, riots...killing these people is why we have the 2nd Amendment; defending delinquent ranchers is not.
    You don't have the right to seek out and attempt to create a situation where you are compelled to kill someone to save your own life, thats what you're not understanding.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    This country was created by an armed insurgency.
    Don't forget the other minor details like the Continental Congress and state legislators, it was more than just a bunch of guys protesting gazing fees.

    Also the fact that Americans engaged in insurgent warfare during our war of independence in no way automatically justifies the use of such tactics by anyone else.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    This country was created by an armed insurgency.
    Which still fails to lend credibility to modern day dopes who fancy themselves to be revolutionaries. Stand on the merits of your position in the here and now.

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