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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    That guy? The alleged "sniper"?

    That guy was over 500 yards away with a rifle without a scope, an AK (not known for accuracy) no less, he had no optics of any kind:
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    He couldn't even hit the bridge in front of him if he wanted to:
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    Just because he was in the prone position doesn't mean he was aiming at the feds, he couldn't even see the feds let alone aim at his own militia men in front of him.

    No one was aiming at the Feds, the Feds however were ALL taking aim. They were the ones with snipers, threatening to shoot people.
    It is only 100 yards between the bridges.

    Here is a better pic of his position:
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    https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7642...pj8zznAKoA!2e0

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    His feet are laying on the Eastbound Interstate 15 fast lane there.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    A clerical branch of the government can casually mount a quasi-military operation with firepower sufficient to massacre hundreds of people instead of filing a lien at the local courthouse, and you're worried about some bloviating cowboys?


    By the way, do you have the foggiest idea of how the country came to be? Insurrections are, and quite frankly always should be an available reaction to tyrannical government overreach. Read up on your Jefferson sometime.
    These fines had been unpaid for 20 years, do you really think another court order would have done the job? He hasn't respected any of the others.

    Also this is tyrannical government overreach this is about paying for using public land for commercial purposes. And while its true that this country won its independence as a result of rebellion and insurrection the goal of that revolution was to establish our own form of government not to live in a constant state of anarchy as rebellions crop up every decade or so. Look at Jefferson's quote about the "tree of liberty"

    God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure
    Now think of the civil war, the last time this country suffered a rebellion which could be compared to the revolutionary war. Do we really want to do that every 20 years? How could society exist in such a country? How could liberty exist in such a country? Do you really think that people, average Americans who would be constantly fighting and dying in these wars, seeing their property and lives destroyed would tolerate any kind of government which would allow that to continue to happen? People living like that would accept any government so long as could put a stop to the constant wars, they'd give up any kind of freedom for simple peace and stability.

    Jefferson had a lot of good ideas, he was an excellent writer, but he had a habit of getting a little too excited and a little too extreme sometimes in his writing like when he said this. Its obviously not anyway to run a country and obviously not practical at all. Don't take everything he said as gospel, have your own opinions as well.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Looks like the goobers are turning on each other. Like two scorpions in a jar.

    Nevada Ranch Militias Turn Against Each Other Over Drone-Attack Theory
    Adam Weinstein

    The armed anti-government play-warriors who built a military force around a racist redneck rancher in Nevada have split into rival factions and are now at the brink of civil war, calling each other crazies and traitors and spreading rumors that Eric Holder planned a drone strike on them.

    For nearly a month, organized groups of militiamen as well as gun-toting "independents" have descended on Bunkerville, Nevada, ostensibly to protect Cliven Bundy, the curmudgeon cattleman who grazed his cattle on federal land, owed feds more than a million in fees, and famously shared his opinions on "Negroes" with America.

    The feds gave Bundy his cows back and avoided an armed confrontation, but freemen in search of a hot discharge of their firearm loads remain encamped around his land, occasionally setting up checkpoints to intimidate local drivers in the name of freedom.

    In this Waco-wacko Woodstock of woolly-bully mountain men, the irony and the insanity spiked last weekend when leaders of the most prominent militia group, the Oath Keepers, began complaining of armed madmen "in the camp running amok." They eventually pulled back from their positions, claiming they had received intelligence suggesting that the Obama administration's attack drones were incoming.
    Nevada Ranch Militias Turn Against Each Other Over Drone-Attack Theory
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    More nutcase action.

    Cliven Bundy Ranch Speaker Warns Of ‘Civil War,’ Promises Harry Reid Will Have His ‘Balls Ripped Off’

    “Vanderboegh then told the legend of an Alabama woman named Jenny Brooks whose husband and son, according to Vanderboegh’s version of the story, were killed by state law enforcement collecting taxes for the Confederate government. According to the tale, Brooks went after the men who had killed her family, killed two of them in return, and turned one of their skulls into a soap dish.”

    At that point, Vanderboegh pulled out a skull and declared that he would present it to Harry Reid as the “2014 Award for Incitement to Civil War.”

    He added, “Don’t poke the wolverine with a sharp stick, Harry, unless you want your balls ripped off.”


    Cliven Bundy Ranch Speaker Warns Of
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    It is only 100 yards between the bridges.

    Here is a better pic of his position:
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    https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7642...pj8zznAKoA!2e0

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    His feet are laying on the Eastbound Interstate 15 fast lane there.
    Okay, you did your homework, you win. My source was what I heard on the news, don't even remember which show.

    Either way, this guy admitted he wasn't a part of any Militia. (Source: Jerry)
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Do you get your views from anything other than far left sites?
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you get your views from anything other than far left sites?
    Did the clown say the words or not? Attacking the source with nothing but a political opinion doesn't say much for your argument
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Did the clown say the words or not? Attacking the source with nothing but a political opinion doesn't say much for your argument
    Not sure, I wasn't there....I don't know the full speech, or context of....But don't let that stop you.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not sure, I wasn't there....I don't know the full speech, or context of....But don't let that stop you.
    OR in other words, "I refuse to watch/listen/read anything from a source that acts in opposition to my personal political views." OK, Got it.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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