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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    That guy? The alleged "sniper"?

    That guy was over 500 yards away with a rifle without a scope, an AK (not known for accuracy) no less, he had no optics of any kind:
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    He couldn't even hit the bridge in front of him if he wanted to:
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    Just because he was in the prone position doesn't mean he was aiming at the feds, he couldn't even see the feds let alone aim at his own militia men in front of him.

    No one was aiming at the Feds, the Feds however were ALL taking aim. They were the ones with snipers, threatening to shoot people.
    Wrong on the distance from his location to the fence where the BLM personnel were standing - it is 100 yards.

    BLM people can be seen in your second photo, just beyond the shadow thrown by the overpass

    So the 'sniper' is just another macho man with a gun, doing nothing more than posing as a 'stand-up' guy facing down the jack-booted federalist thugs - amirite?
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You think I would go there without a plan? I don't live in Nevada, the only reason I would be in the area is to provoke an armed confrontation. No, if I'm there, it's by design, and part of that design probably involves a bus, not a car, full of armed like-minded people.
    THat would be murder dude, knowingly and intentionally planning to create a situation where you can kill someone under a specific circumstance is pre-meditated murder.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Wrong on the distance from his location to the fence where the BLM personnel were standing - it is 100 yards.
    Source for that claim? Also FEW BLM were at the fence. Most of them, including their snipers were FAR back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    BLM people can be seen in your second photo, just beyond the shadow thrown by the overpass
    Seen yes, accurately sniped no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So the 'sniper' is just another macho man with a gun, doing nothing more than posing as a 'stand-up' guy facing down the jack-booted federalist thugs - amirite?
    Given the old ladies around taking his picture, seems like a poser to me.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    THat would be murder dude, knowingly and intentionally planning to create a situation where you can kill someone under a specific circumstance is pre-meditated murder.
    Not if you can SYG.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Just because he was in the prone position doesn't mean he was aiming at the feds, he couldn't even see the feds let alone aim at his own militia men in front of him.
    When interviewed, this guy said he wasn't with a militia, he said "I'm an independent".

    Just a random guy with a rifle, not operating in any organisation, certainly not under the authority of a comissioned officer, as militias are supposed to.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    This is all a dishonest scheme that has very little to do with the law or "deadbeats" people. For two decades Bundy has not been paying, not due to him somehow not wanting to pay, but because of how the federal government altered the terms for grazing in such a way that it has apparently driven out every other rancher in the county. Before that he actually did pay grazing fees. For 20 years this has been going on without any massive crackdown. What has prompted this seizure is the fact that a bunch of big corporations with lots of personal and financial connections to Democratic politicos, especially Harry Reid, have been brought in to establish solar plants on various plots in the area. To compensate for the environmental damage such projects would yield, the emphasis has been on strengthening protections in areas not getting such plants and even relocating protected species to those areas. Bundy just happens to have his cattle grazing on one of those areas where there is a need for "mitigating" all the environmental damage Reid's corporate backers are going to cause in the region. More importantly, the crackdown began in earnest after one of Reid's former policy advisers rose to the top position in the relevant agency, an adviser whose entire rise to power there basically centered on the expansion of solar energy in the region.

    None of this is about the law, except in so much that the law can be used as a crutch. It is all about corrupt state corporatism and federal thuggery. They are actually spending more money going after Bundy than they would get if he actually paid the exorbitant amount they are demanding. From what I can tell, his lack of payment has nothing to do directly with the large expense. Grazing fees are about a dollar per cow each month. His costs are overwhelmingly the product of a single court case over 15 years ago, which was a decision by a judge Reid himself nominated in the same year Reid began pushing through legislation to ease the selling of private developments rights on federal conservation areas in Clark County. This is all about corruption and abuse of power. All of the rest is just a cover.

    I do not doubt that they have good cause to suspect there may be attempts to infiltrate the area. Hardly unusual for various federal agencies to sneak into dissenting political movements to sabotage their activities or provoke them into actions that can then be used as a basis for tougher action by the government. Such tried and true tactics have worked in the past.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    under the authority of a comissioned officer, as militias are supposed to.
    *snicker*

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Concerns growing about militia members at Bundy ranch - 8 News NOW

    So like I said in other topics about this developing story, its gone beyond the unpaid fees for gazing on Federal land and turned into a question of whether or not we are going to allow an active insurgency to operate within this country.

    Also, is it more ironic or sad that these folks who claim to want freedom are acting in exactly the manner of an authoritarian?
    A clerical branch of the government can casually mount a quasi-military operation with firepower sufficient to massacre hundreds of people instead of filing a lien at the local courthouse, and you're worried about some bloviating cowboys?


    By the way, do you have the foggiest idea of how the country came to be? Insurrections are, and quite frankly always should be an available reaction to tyrannical government overreach. Read up on your Jefferson sometime.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    A clerical branch of the government can casually mount a quasi-military operation with firepower sufficient to massacre hundreds of people instead of filing a lien at the local courthouse, and you're worried about some bloviating cowboys?


    By the way, do you have the foggiest idea of how the country came to be? Insurrections are, and quite frankly always should be an available reaction to tyrannical government overreach. Read up on yuor Jefferson sometime.
    *snicker*

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's not about this guy? Lol, alright - what is it about? Your right to graze on land you don't own?
    Lol, I just said: FEDERALISM (division of power).

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