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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

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    What a bizarre statement. You do a great disservice to your mentally stable gun owning counterparts.
    Are you claiming that I'm mentally unstable?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nothing there that supports your claim, dude.
    Detention without sufficient authority.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Do you feel that way?
    Why would I?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Detention without sufficient authority.
    No one has been detained. If that were the case, thousands of Occutards are guilty of the same crime, but...that's not the case.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No one has been detained. If that were the case, thousands of Occutards are guilty of the same crime, but...that's not the case.
    Are you saying that all of the reports to the Sheriff's department were false?

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    People in this country have a right to peaceably assemble, which they did.
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    But, they don't have the right to break the law in the process.

    This is just another example of how Libbos are all about the law of the land, until those laws are no longer convenient....
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    The OWS'ers are endangering the environment. That's why they were attacked.

    How much green space has been destroyed by the OWS'ers?

    Free speech doesn't over-rule enviromental safety goddamit!!!!!!
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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

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    Do you know what sarcasm is?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its not about 'this' guy. Its about federalism. Unlike 'very liberal' posters, we 'usual people' dont make everything personal.
    It's not about this guy? Lol, alright - what is it about? Your right to graze on land you don't own?
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    I don't know, lying down on a bridge, aiming a rifle at the feds, all the incendiary talk, etc.
    That guy? The alleged "sniper"?

    That guy was over 500 yards away with a rifle without a scope, an AK (not known for accuracy) no less, he had no optics of any kind:
    Protester+Eric+Parker+from+central+Idaho+aims+his+weapon+from+a+bridge+next+to+the+Bureau+of+Lan.jpg

    He couldn't even hit the bridge in front of him if he wanted to:
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    Just because he was in the prone position doesn't mean he was aiming at the feds, he couldn't even see the feds let alone aim at his own militia men in front of him.

    No one was aiming at the Feds, the Feds however were ALL taking aim. They were the ones with snipers, threatening to shoot people.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Right, because violence is clearly solved by the application of more violence. Your solution to stop these people who think themselves above the law and everyone else is to act just like them. That's really the moral high ground.



    Which is exactly what the armed "patriot" community is always saying it wants to do. It wants to attack the rest of the country to get its own way. This is that "second amendment solution" that we were threatened with.



    Not really. Both are criminal and anarchist. Both destroy the rule of law for the personal gain of the people doing it. This is no different from how the mafia acts.

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    This seems to me to be exactly what the armed fringe has been crying out for. This is that "second amendment solution" they were talking about, where people who don't like that they have to pay for the benefits we reap in this country wave their guns around and refuse to pay their taxes. They have taken over this area and are threatening innocent people with violence. These people, the supposed "patriots" who just "love freedom" are criminals. They want to use violence and force to control others. This is the culmination of all this pro-arms and anti-government nonsense. This is an attack on the fundamental rule of law by people who think their guns put them above it. The political engines that have been enabling and lauding this kind of behavior when it was hypothetical should be ashamed of what they have brought about.
    Actually there is a large difference. One is defending yourself and having the capability of doing so effectively. It insures the rule of law in a fair manner or more to the point it insures that the law being enforced is important enough to warrant confrontation with high potential of loss of government personnel and equipment. It helps to prevent the use of harassment by the law. The other are thugs harassing people going about their business. They are no better gang members.

    The law is a tool. A tool of the mind. No more no less. It can be wielded like any other tool including the gun in a manner that is beneficial for people or it can be used in a manner that is unbeneficial. Like any other tool, there are well formed and exquisitely crafted laws, and there are crap laws not worth the paper they are written on and worth ignoring in their entirety. I believe in the rule of law when the laws are few and are known and properly wielded. What we have now is a bastardization of the rule of law. It is anarchy under the cover of law.
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