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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Double post..

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The people who've passed through their checkpoints.
    There's no way they were detained, if they passed through the checkpoint.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Uh... I don't think you'd get the chance, or survive the encounter at all, a few armed men surround your car and you opt to draw from probably the worst position possible?
    You think I would go there without a plan? I don't live in Nevada, the only reason I would be in the area is to provoke an armed confrontation. No, if I'm there, it's by design, and part of that design probably involves a bus, not a car, full of armed like-minded people.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Anyone have any video or images of them detaining people while pointing their guns?

    The Federal and BLM response over these fees or turtles, especially the treatment of protesters, pointing guns and stating that they will fire was very heavy handed to me. It made me sympathetic to Bundy despite his being in the wrong legally speaking (state issues of Federal land ownership aside.) Then his racist comments made me less inclined to defend him or those who came to protect him from such heavy handed efforts. The fact that the NYT omitted his pro-hispanic and black comments softened that inclination....

    But once you go "Papers please?" you've lost my support. That is no longer acting in defense.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In all seriousness, if they stopped me, I would shoot them. I call on all residents so affected in that area to likewise take up arms and respell these 'militia'.
    Right, because violence is clearly solved by the application of more violence. Your solution to stop these people who think themselves above the law and everyone else is to act just like them. That's really the moral high ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The militia isn't operating under orders from a 'proper authority', they are conducting illegal activity, and so this 'militia' is little better than gang members.
    Which is exactly what the armed "patriot" community is always saying it wants to do. It wants to attack the rest of the country to get its own way. This is that "second amendment solution" that we were threatened with.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Its one thing to tell the government to go pound sand and when they come to you to enforce their will you kick their butts. Its another thing entirely to be stopping people on the highway searching them ect. They are crossing a line they really shouldn't. The feds haven't tried in earnest to spill blood. No point in stopping innocents on the highway.
    Not really. Both are criminal and anarchist. Both destroy the rule of law for the personal gain of the people doing it. This is no different from how the mafia acts.

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    This seems to me to be exactly what the armed fringe has been crying out for. This is that "second amendment solution" they were talking about, where people who don't like that they have to pay for the benefits we reap in this country wave their guns around and refuse to pay their taxes. They have taken over this area and are threatening innocent people with violence. These people, the supposed "patriots" who just "love freedom" are criminals. They want to use violence and force to control others. This is the culmination of all this pro-arms and anti-government nonsense. This is an attack on the fundamental rule of law by people who think their guns put them above it. The political engines that have been enabling and lauding this kind of behavior when it was hypothetical should be ashamed of what they have brought about.
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Uh... I don't think you'd get the chance, or survive the encounter at all, a few armed men surround your car and you opt to draw from probably the worst position possible?
    Thats what the gas peddle is for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    ....They have taken over this area and are threatening innocent people with violence....
    That's why I would act as I described, if so stopped at their checkpoint.

    They are not a valid militia, they are a gang.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    I'm rarely a fan of conspiracy theories, but I'm starting to wonder if this Cliven Bundy guy might not be an undercover agent. I mean, surely the militia type can't be this loco, right? ...right??
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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Anyone have any video or images of them detaining people while pointing their guns?

    The Federal and BLM response over these fees or turtles, especially the treatment of protesters, pointing guns and stating that they will fire was very heavy handed to me. It made me sympathetic to Bundy despite his being in the wrong legally speaking (state issues of Federal land ownership aside.) Then his racist comments made me less inclined to defend him or those who came to protect him from such heavy handed efforts. The fact that the NYT omitted his pro-hispanic and black comments softened that inclination....

    But once you go "Papers please?" you've lost my support. That is no longer acting in defense.
    Post # 82 & 88.

    Or, Google "Bundy militia stopping motorists" in the Google Image data base.
    Last edited by AJiveMan; 04-30-14 at 04:43 PM.

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    Re: Militia around Bundy Ranch set up checkpoints, demand papers, control taffic flow

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's still state/county property, which means it's outside the jurisdiction of the Feds.
    The federal government has the constitutional authority to suppress insurrection.
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