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Leave it to Mr Tingles to offer up one of the more lame defenses of Obama on Benghazi

"But the idea that somebody else should have been covering for him [Ambassador Chris Stevens], that someone else should have the army there waiting to defend him, I think it's a little ridiculous," Matthews insisted. "How would the President even know he [Stevens] was going on that trip out there to Benghazi?

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Seems San Fran Nan is a little upset over being asked about Benghazi and quickly goes to another question. Amazing how libs never seem to give a direct answer to a direct question

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johndylan1 said:

Not sad, it is immoral (no matter who does it) and those who engage in such do not deserve elected office. However I must say after reading the story, this new email kinda proves that Ben Rhodes was involved in distributing the lies, therefore this year old story is also suspect. Is it so insane to expect honesty?

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Except that there's nothing false in the email.

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Mithros said:

Except that there's nothing false in the email.

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The E-mail mentions the Video, 3 days after the Terrorist attack.

The CIA said the video wasn't part of its talking points.

So who decided to blame the Benghazzi Terrorist attack on the video when they knew just hours after the attack it wasn't a protest ?

So the WH wanted Susan Rice to underscore that the attack was due to the reaction from a Internet Video and not a broader policy failure and thats exactly what she did.

How is that not a scandal ?

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What happens when the Press finnaly realizes that it was the White House that was the one who Google Searched for a "Anti Muslim Internet Video " ?

And then used the media to publicize it which started new protest

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Jack Hays said:

This latest episode suggests that it was the WH lying all along.eace

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Racist.

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Fenton said:

The E-mail mentions the Video, 3 days after the Terrorist attack.

The CIA said the video wasn't part of its talking points.

So who decided to blame the Benghazzi Terrorist attack on the video when they knew just hours after the attack it wasn't a protest ?

So the WH wanted Susan Rice to underscore that the attack was due to the reaction from a Internet Video and not a broader policy failure and thats exactly what she did.

How is that not a scandal ?

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Except the email never says underscore that the attack was due to a reaction from an internet video. The email says to emphasize that the protests were a result of the internet video.

The video caused the protests. The protests were the motivation for the attack on Bengazi. The only thing Susan Rice said that was incorrect was that the attacks were spontaneous. However, they weren't really pre-planned either; it was something in-between.

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Fenton said:

The E-mail mentions the Video, 3 days after the Terrorist attack.

The CIA said the video wasn't part of its talking points.

So who decided to blame the Benghazzi Terrorist attack on the video when they knew just hours after the attack it wasn't a protest ?

So the WH wanted Susan Rice to underscore that the attack was due to the reaction from a Internet Video and not a broader policy failure and thats exactly what she did.

How is that not a scandal ?

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All correct, except that I'd add it was the re-election campaign leaders who injected that meme it would seem, based on a critical reading of the email in question.

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Mithros said:

Except the email never says underscore that the attack was due to a reaction from an internet video. The email says to emphasize that the protests were a result of the internet video.

The video caused the protests. The protests were the motivation for the attack on Bengazi. The only thing Susan Rice said that was incorrect was that the attacks were spontaneous. However, they weren't really pre-planned either; it was something in-between.

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This is by far the most 'administration generous' reading of the events. And yet it still doesn't mitigate the campaign leader's influencing (dictating? demanding?) that Rice, and administration official, deliver the desired political message. That, my friends, is a classic case of a Hatch Act violation, is it not?

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eohrnberger said:

This is by far the most 'administration generous' reading of the events. And yet it still doesn't mitigate the campaign leader's influencing (dictating? demanding?) that Rice, and administration official, deliver the desired political message. That, my friends, is a classic case of a Hatch Act violation, is it not?

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Then convince me otherwise. Who was involved in the Bengazi attacks? Who coordinated them? Where and when were they planned? What was their motivation?

What really bothers me about this nonsense is that I had family that served in Iraq. The first thing I'd do every day is to check the days casualty list. Every single day I'd see 5, 10, 20 names. Every few weeks there' be a report saying that 5-10 soldiers were killed from a certain division and battalion in a really bad attack; with names withheld pending notification of the family. And so you'd spend the next day or so hoping that the names were released before you got that dreaded phone call. Hopefully someone else would have to bear the highest cost. You'd morn the loss of life, but were also relieved that it wasn't your loved one. And were it not for a some militants failing to arm a mortar shell before they fired it and an IED blowing just right... I'd be in the same boat as those other families.

So to go through that, all the while listening to people defend a war sold under false premises in which troops weren't properly prepared or equipped. Now the very same people are trying to invent a scandal out of Benghazi for political gain. Yes; Benghazi was a tragedy. Yes the security should have been better. But four dead Americans wouldn't have made much news during the height of the Iraq war.

And before anyone else starts on this completely fake rant of "think of the four dead Americans" I'd like to point out that the entire focus of the conservative faux-rage has been focused on Obama and Hillary and none of it on what we did wrong and how we can fix it in the future. None. The lives of those killed in Benghazi mean nothing; they're just political pawns to be paraded about.. Look! Obama is a failure! See the dead bodies! It's completely disgusting.

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Mithros said:

Except the email never says underscore that the attack was due to a reaction from an internet video. The email says to emphasize that the protests were a result of the internet video.

The video caused the protests. The protests were the motivation for the attack on Bengazi. The only thing Susan Rice said that was incorrect was that the attacks were spontaneous. However, they weren't really pre-planned either; it was something in-between.

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First the E-mail distinctly mentioned the video and that it was a Prep for Susan Rice a day before she went out and lied about the nature of these attacks.

Why would Susan Rice go on 5 morning talk shows ? Because 4 Americans died in Benghazzi.

THAT was the relevant issue at the time.

It was not to prep her for Cairo or any other protest.

Second, if it was just a benign E-mail discussing the WHs ME Policies, why was it redacted when it was sent to the Senate Committee that investigated the BENGHAZZI attack ?

Why did it take a Court Order to get it rleleased ?

No one believes Obama's side of the story save for a few highly influenced partisans, so why do you keep repeating your lies ?

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eohrnberger said:

All correct, except that I'd add it was the re-election campaign leaders who injected that meme it would seem, based on a critical reading of the email in question.

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Regardless of who injected the meme, the WH and Hillary and their fellow Democrats and supporters ran with it.

To perpetuate the lie IMO is just as dishonest as starting the lie.

What kind of man or President would entertained the idea of perpetuating a false narrative over the deaths of four Americans ?

And only because it was Politically expedient ?

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Mithros said:

Except the email never says underscore that the attack was due to a reaction from an internet video. The email says to emphasize that the protests were a result of the internet video.

The video caused the protests. The protests were the motivation for the attack on Bengazi. The only thing Susan Rice said that was incorrect was that the attacks were spontaneous. However, they weren't really pre-planned either; it was something in-between.

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This post falls under the category of "damned lies". We haven't caught or interrogated a single perpetrator of the attack and here Mithros is giving detailed motivations for the attack and the planning of it as if he helped plan it.

The attack was not motivated by the video, there was no protest at the consulate, the attack came on 9/11 for a reason.

They had a months warning, and did nothing. They learned very quickly that it was not a protest gone bad and they said so anyway, and when the bullets were flying and the future of all the consulate staff was still in doubt our president did nothing. Our Secretary of State did nothing.

There was apparently more talk about the political fall out than the dead or dying Americans.

Hillary was right to question Obama's ability to answer the 3:00am call. But she obviously was obviously incapable as well.

Contrast: Obama orders the SEALs to take out Bin Laden and he was in the situation room. Within 24 hours they WH had spilled TOO MANY details of the operation to the press including photos of a stern Obama watching the attack take place. On the other side we have Benghazi where the president did nothing, was nowhere to be seen, too little apparent interest in his dying ambassador, and over a year later they are still dragging their feat.

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jmotivator said:

This post falls under the category of "damned lies". We haven't caught or interrogated a single perpetrator of the attack and here Mithros is giving detailed motivations for the attack and the planning of it as if he helped plan it.

The attack was not motivated by the video, there was no protest at the consulate, the attack came on 9/11 for a reason.

They had a months warning, and did nothing. They learned very quickly that it was not a protest gone bad and they said so anyway, and when the bullets were flying and the future of all the consulate staff was still in doubt our president did nothing. Our Secretary of State did nothing.

There was apparently more talk about the political fall out than the dead or dying Americans.

Hillary was right to question Obama's ability to answer the 3:00am call. But she obviously was obviously incapable as well.

Contrast: Obama orders the SEALs to take out Bin Laden and he was in the situation room. Within 24 hours they WH had spilled TOO MANY details of the operation to the press including photos of a stern Obama watching the attack take place. On the other side we have Benghazi where the president did nothing, was nowhere to be seen, too little apparent interest in his dying ambassador, and over a year later they are still dragging their feat.

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Are you accusing me of terrorism?

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Fenton said:

Regardless of who injected the meme, the WH and Hillary and their fellow Democrats and supporters ran with it.

To perpetuate the lie IMO is just as dishonest as starting the lie.

What kind of man or President would entertained the idea of perpetuating a false narrative over the deaths of four Americans ?

And only because it was Politically expedient ?

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Fenton, you ask what kind of a man or president perpetuates false narratives for political expediency?

I've give you Obama. He has established a long track record of doing exactly that, seemingly from the moment he took office on just about every topic he speaks to.

What kind of a president does that make him? Not a very good one in my view. Worse than president Carter, of the modern presidents.

What kind of a man does that make him? I dunno. I'm rather suspecting that it doesn't make him a good one, but I have no first hand knowledge of the man himself.

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Mithros said:

Are you accusing me of terrorism?

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Mithros said:

Then convince me otherwise. Who was involved in the Bengazi attacks? Who coordinated them? Where and when were they planned? What was their motivation?

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That's easy. Ansar Al Sharia was responsible for the attack. Ansar Al Sharia is a Libyan Islamist terror group affiliated with Al Qaeda.

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Gill said:

That's easy. Ansar Al Sharia was responsible for the attack. Ansar Al Sharia is a Libyan Islamist terror group affiliated with Al Qaeda.

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Ansar al Sharia is more a label than an organization, one that's been adopted by conservative Salafist groups across the Arab world. The name means, simply, "Partisans of Islamic Law."

There were certainly Al Qaeda militants in the attack on Benghazi. There were self identified Ansar al Sharia members as well. There were also rioters, looters, and other malcontents who saw what was happening and joined in. Some were terrorists. Some were opportunists. Some were onlookers. And some were involved in the protests which had been blazing through the Islamic world. Some knew ahead of time, some didn't. This is why it was so hard to get a good initial read on the attacks and why there was so much confusion. The attacks on Benghazi were loosely planned, poorly organized, and messy. There isn't an overarching story line here, just a bunch of disparate ones which joined together to carry out a terrible tragedy.

Did the administration try to put the best spin on what happened? Of course. Did the intelligence community get everything right? Of course not. But it's clear that the administration tried to cast the best intelligence at the time in the best possible light. That's what every politician has been doing since the beginning of time.

If you want to find fault, look to the reasons why security wasn't better. However, the people responsible will likely be lower level State Department employees, the CIA's questionable activities, congressional budget cuts, ..pretty much everyone except Hillary and Obama. But that's only if you want to figure out what actually happened. If your goal is political spectacle, well.. just insert the actions of Issa.

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Mithros said:

Ansar al Sharia is more a label than an organization, one that's been adopted by conservative Salafist groups across the Arab world. The name means, simply, "Partisans of Islamic Law."

There were certainly Al Qaeda militants in the attack on Benghazi. There were self identified Ansar al Sharia members as well. There were also rioters, looters, and other malcontents who saw what was happening and joined in. Some were terrorists. Some were opportunists. Some were onlookers. And some were involved in the protests which had been blazing through the Islamic world. Some knew ahead of time, some didn't. This is why it was so hard to get a good initial read on the attacks and why there was so much confusion. The attacks on Benghazi were loosely planned, poorly organized, and messy. There isn't an overarching story line here, just a bunch of disparate ones which joined together to carry out a terrible tragedy.

Did the administration try to put the best spin on what happened? Of course. Did the intelligence community get everything right? Of course not. But it's clear that the administration tried to cast the best intelligence at the time in the best possible light. That's what every politician has been doing since the beginning of time.

If you want to find fault, look to the reasons why security wasn't better. However, the people responsible will likely be lower level State Department employees, the CIA's questionable activities, congressional budget cuts, ..pretty much everyone except Hillary and Obama. But that's only if you want to figure out what actually happened. If your goal is political spectacle, well.. just insert the actions of Issa.

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So it's everybody's fault but the two in charge?? You hyper partisans are pitiful. You would excuse Obama and Clinton if they were caught taking turns on a 3 year old girl.

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Gill said:

So it's everybody's fault but the two in charge?? You hyper partisans are pitiful. You would excuse Obama and Clinton if they were caught taking turns on a 3 year old girl.

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If the evidence would lead to Obama or Hillary, I'd be first in line to insist on impeachment. But considering that those are the only lines of inquiry pursued by Issa I think it's quite unlikely.

Also, accusing someone of excusing child rape isn't very productive.

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Mithros said:

If the evidence would lead to Obama or Hillary, I'd be first in line to insist on impeachment. But considering that those are the only lines of inquiry pursued by Issa I think it's quite unlikely.

Also, accusing someone of excusing child rape isn't very productive.

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Boehner now calling for select committee. Better late than never.

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Mithros said:

Ansar al Sharia is more a label than an organization, one that's been adopted by conservative Salafist groups across the Arab world. The name means, simply, "Partisans of Islamic Law."

There were certainly Al Qaeda militants in the attack on Benghazi. There were self identified Ansar al Sharia members as well. There were also rioters, looters, and other malcontents who saw what was happening and joined in. Some were terrorists. Some were opportunists. Some were onlookers. And some were involved in the protests which had been blazing through the Islamic world. Some knew ahead of time, some didn't. This is why it was so hard to get a good initial read on the attacks and why there was so much confusion. The attacks on Benghazi were loosely planned, poorly organized, and messy. There isn't an overarching story line here, just a bunch of disparate ones which joined together to carry out a terrible tragedy.

Did the administration try to put the best spin on what happened? Of course. Did the intelligence community get everything right? Of course not. But it's clear that the administration tried to cast the best intelligence at the time in the best possible light. That's what every politician has been doing since the beginning of time.

If you want to find fault, look to the reasons why security wasn't better. However, the people responsible will likely be lower level State Department employees, the CIA's questionable activities, congressional budget cuts, ..pretty much everyone except Hillary and Obama. But that's only if you want to figure out what actually happened. If your goal is political spectacle, well.. just insert the actions of Issa.

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(sigh) No, there were no "protestors".

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Mithros said:

Ansar al Sharia is more a label than an organization, one that's been adopted by conservative Salafist groups across the Arab world. The name means, simply, "Partisans of Islamic Law."

There were certainly Al Qaeda militants in the attack on Benghazi. There were self identified Ansar al Sharia members as well. There were also rioters, looters, and other malcontents who saw what was happening and joined in. Some were terrorists. Some were opportunists. Some were onlookers. And some were involved in the protests which had been blazing through the Islamic world. Some knew ahead of time, some didn't. This is why it was so hard to get a good initial read on the attacks and why there was so much confusion. The attacks on Benghazi were loosely planned, poorly organized, and messy. There isn't an overarching story line here, just a bunch of disparate ones which joined together to carry out a terrible tragedy.

Did the administration try to put the best spin on what happened? Of course. Did the intelligence community get everything right? Of course not. But it's clear that the administration tried to cast the best intelligence at the time in the best possible light. That's what every politician has been doing since the beginning of time.

If you want to find fault, look to the reasons why security wasn't better. However, the people responsible will likely be lower level State Department employees, the CIA's questionable activities, congressional budget cuts, ..pretty much everyone except Hillary and Obama. But that's only if you want to figure out what actually happened. If your goal is political spectacle, well.. just insert the actions of Issa.

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General Ham, the General in charge of Africom was with Panetta when the call came in, they were in Obama's office within 30 minutes.
Ham categorically states they KNEW it was a terror attack that had NOTHING to do with a silly video.

This is ALL contained in the Senate Report that was declassified.

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Amazed said:

(sigh) No, there were no "protestors".

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So would you would not call someone who was involved in a protest on say 9/10 a protester?

The attacks did not spontaneously arise out of a protest. But that's not the same thing as saying that no protesters were involved.

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Mithros said:

So would you would not call someone who was involved in a protest on say 9/10 a protester?

The attacks did not spontaneously arise out of a protest. But that's not the same thing as saying that no protesters were involved.

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They knew the attack did not spontaneously arise out of a prorest the entire time.

Its the crux of the issue.

Problem is if Obama had been honest he probably would have won anyway.

It woukd seem that at this WH they're predisposed to liesover truth.